Work Your Weight in Gold: Bringing Back Sovereignty With TARTLE

Alexander McCaig (00:32):

Welcome back to TARTLE cast. Anybody seen our gold? I'd love... I'd absolutely love to find-

Jason Rigby (00:36):

I wonder how many people have actually held a gold bullion in their hands? Out of everybody that's here.

Alexander McCaig (00:43):

Heavy.

Jason Rigby (00:44):

Yeah. Or actually felt gold or real 18 or 24 karat gold?

Alexander McCaig (00:48):

It's super soft.

Jason Rigby (00:50):

Almost looks fake.

Alexander McCaig (00:50):

It's dirty, very heavy, but it's extremely valuable to use in a lot of things, whether that be jewelry, whether that be circuit boards, or whether that be you just trying to hold it as a hedge against inflation. I'm teeing it up like it's top golf [inaudible 00:01:16].

Jason Rigby (01:15):

Oh, this is the greatest thing ever.

Alexander McCaig (01:17):

So you brought in an article to me. On TATLE cast, we're a data podcast, but it's important that when we talk about marketplaces, you put in work.

Jason Rigby (01:27):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (01:28):

It's time, it's money, it's data, data's an asset. And we like to talk about people that like to abuse assets that people have worked for. And before data was getting abused, there was a really good collective of people in London that were abusing another type of asset. That asset's called gold.

Jason Rigby (01:51):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (01:52):

Gold's interesting. It's got a really rich history to it, no pun intended, but people have always said that gold itself, like you were saying, there's only enough of it in the world to put into an Olympic-size swimming pool, way more gold than that.

After that statement was popular, there was a temple in India. And if you don't know the Indian culture, you probably do because you're a listener here, it's always about bringing gifts, paying homage to the gods. And there's about like 40,000-plus avatars that they have over in India. People choose whichever one works best for them, but there are some major ones, Krishna.

Jason Rigby (02:33):

That's cool that you can... It's like a decentralized God system.

Alexander McCaig (02:36):

This is what it is. It's essentially what it is. You choose the avatar that works best for you. There was this temple that I think had five sealed caverns inside of it.

And one of them, for however long the template had been there, it was guarded. The priest would guard the front, "No one... You can't get in here. You're not allowed in this thing." You go to temple, you pray, you give your offerings but no one's allowed to go through that door.

But for years they had a record account of everything that had been essentially donated or paid homage to the gods. So they cracked this safe open one day. These archeologists, are like, "We've got to get in here. We've got to check this out." There's a new reign of priests that running the temple. I don't know if you call them priests, what have you? So they cracked this thing open and this thing is so chuck full of gold it threw the supply at a whack. They were like, "This is not right."

And the second they had cracked it open, the Indian military shows up and they start gardening this entire thing. And what's interesting about this is that it had gone from, "We're doing this. The gold ownership, we've transferred it over to the gods. The priests are just watching it." And now the government shows up and the government wants to take control of it.

Jason Rigby (03:58):

So, yeah. I mean obviously if they showed up quickly like that, there was probably a drone flying, watching.

Alexander McCaig (04:04):

There's something was-

Jason Rigby (04:04):

There was a lot of nefarious-

Alexander McCaig (04:05):

Yeah, it's a really interesting story. I forget the name of the temple, you can look it up, but they said it was like Indiana Jones when he showed up and he saw that gold city. They said there was that much gold. But the interesting part about it is it draws so much attention. In the culture of human beings, it's a powerful object.

Jason Rigby (04:22):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (04:22):

Even just put... I mean, what does it say if a guy's driving by in his Ferrari or Lamborghini or Mercedes and he's gold-plated the entire thing? It's a statement.

Jason Rigby (04:32):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (04:32):

It always has been a statement. Kings have worn gold. Now, when you think about that in culture and how that's been passed down, if there are people that control that item, even if fiat currency is apparently just like the best for whatever the central banks tell you it should be, they still want to control gold. Why is that? What's the idea with you wanting to control this cultural item? It's a power thing here.

Jason Rigby (05:01):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (05:01):

And we know that at the end the Bretton Woods system, when they moved, it was no longer a gold standard. We're all going to move over to fiat currency, floating exchange rates. Well, then where did all that gold ownership go at that point? The central bank's telling you, "Okay, all the value, all the work you put in every single day was actually backed by gold or a silver certificate." Like, "Here's your gold." I can trade this into the Treasury, whatever, get my gold.

It doesn't happen anymore. And then it switched over to, it's like, "Okay, I'm going to give you a $20 note." It's a note payable from the US Treasury. They're saying, "If you turn this in, it's essentially a value of debt." It's just debt paper you're handing back and forth.

Jason Rigby (05:41):

I can remember when I was in the Marine Corps and I was in Somalia and all these orphan kids would run around and stuff, you'd have like 20, 30 of them [inaudible 00:05:50] there wanting MRE, things from my MREs or whatever. But we would give them a dollar. This would be fun. They would do this on purpose. They would bring stacks full of Somalian money with rubber bands on it, like stacks. We'd give them a dollar and they would give us four or five of these stacks. You could set it here and it would look like you're-

Alexander McCaig (06:09):

Like a drug lord.

Jason Rigby (06:10):

Yeah-

Alexander McCaig (06:11):

Here's the interest-

Jason Rigby (06:11):

But it was worthless.

Alexander McCaig (06:12):

And here's the interesting part about it. They knew it was worthless. But if you put down a gold bar, people would be killing each other over it.

Jason Rigby (06:18):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (06:21):

Society determines, this was an interesting turning point here. Now we're getting into this kind of this historical philosophical kind of thing happening here with economics. Society is the one that determines the value of something. So on the marketplace, you determine the value of your data. Collectively, all of us coming together, taking ownership of it and sharing it when we choose to do it through choice generating that asset through your work, you're determining that value.

Now, if when you were working before all the work you put in would materialize towards this cultural item when it was deeply ingrained in human history to have actual value to it, something that was your hedge against everything, if someone comes in and says, "Hey, we're going to put in a new system and everything you're going to work for are these stacks of Somalian money." And that's where your value sits, in something completely worthless.

Where now here's the major change: society no longer determined the value of their work. A few central banks now determined the value of everybody's work and now it's much easier to manipulate things, but in order for them to do that, they had to take this gold and move it into their control. If you limit the supply of it, you control its pricing and then people can remove the option of actually buying into that gold and just be stuck or forced going into a system where they buy products or derivatives of essentially the fiat currency and their work is no longer based on what thousands and thousands of years of cultural history.

Jason Rigby (07:49):

Yeah, yeah. No.

Alexander McCaig (07:49):

It's told us it's valuable where some people come in and say, "Hey, I've engineered a new thing that's completely f-ing worthless. You don't determine the value for it. We do. You have no control over the situation."

Jason Rigby (07:59):

There's none.

Alexander McCaig (08:00):

So what does that mean? Your time, your work is now for them. It's no longer for yourself. So where does that leave us?

Jason Rigby (08:08):

It leaves us being helpless.

Alexander McCaig (08:11):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (08:11):

It leaves us being able to be manipulated.

Alexander McCaig (08:17):

Right.

Jason Rigby (08:18):

It leaves us totally the 1% centralized.

Alexander McCaig (08:23):

So, and what does that mean for time? We all know that's a major asset for everybody, it's very limited.

Jason Rigby (08:28):

Yeah, we always mention this guy. We talk about him all the time, Robert Reid Love. He talks about this. You were talking about... We'll get into time, I think that's very important. But over the years he said gold has resisted supply manipulation. It's far from perfect, he says, but we see the London Gold Pool and you can read more about this at... Alex has it pulled up: gata.org. That's gata.org.

But central banks have cornered the market on gold, which you were talking about. The reason they did that is because they have to suppress the hard money. And Bitcoin may turn into this, it's still iffy. People don't know. But if it becomes like gold where it's a hard asset and people value it because the people decide that, then this will be the same thing.

With the soft money, which is the fiat's currency... So market munition is only possible, he says because of passivity.

Alexander McCaig (09:33):

Tell me what you mean. So being passive, what does that mean?

Jason Rigby (09:35):

Well, he talks about surrendering our sovereignty, so it's us and whatever nation. Doesn't matter. We're in 25 nations. All of you have fiat currency. Surrendering our sovereignty to unaccountable institutions like central banks.

Alexander McCaig (09:49):

Well, that's what happens. So when you are forced into the adoption of their system, your choice is gone. You're forced into their system. That's choice numero uno gone. Now when you work, you have no choice in your payment. You're forced, because of the system you're in, to receive the thing that they determine the value of.

Jason Rigby (10:08):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (10:09):

Gold? I can go from this border to the next one to the next, every culture will readily take that gold out of my hands and trade for a thousand cattle, whatever it might be.

Jason Rigby (10:19):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (10:19):

You know what I mean? That's the difference. But for over here, right, I want to take what I've earned and worked for? I have to take it and then go ask to exchange it with another group who has a totally different value for time, work and money.

Jason Rigby (10:36):

Yeah. It also has, when it's based off of soft money like this, look how much the USD or US dollar bullies.

Alexander McCaig (10:44):

Yeah. All the time.

Jason Rigby (10:45):

It's the bully currency.

Alexander McCaig (10:47):

Yeah, it's pushing people around.

Jason Rigby (10:49):

We have the ability to be able to. And I want people to realize this, whether you're in the United States, it doesn't matter. I've heard this analogy and it's so great. Do you ever watch those David Atwood or Attenbery, whatever, the nature shows?

Alexander McCaig (11:04):

Oh, Wyatt Attenbery?

Jason Rigby (11:04):

Yeah. You know, what it's [inaudible 00:11:04]-

Alexander McCaig (11:04):

Wyatt? That's not his name. David Attenborough.

Jason Rigby (11:06):

Attenborough, yeah. But all those nature shows and everybody has them, there's tons of them on Netflix. And you watch this deer, this innocent little fawn.

Alexander McCaig (11:15):

Oh, here we go with the metaphors.

Jason Rigby (11:16):

And then next thing you know, you see out of the corner, the deer's just on a meadow eating.

Alexander McCaig (11:21):

Just munching.

Jason Rigby (11:23):

Eating clover, just relaxing. And then you look over there and the music changes and in the tree line is the face of a wolf. And you're like, "Fuck. Fuck this deer." You get anxious for it.

Alexander McCaig (11:36):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (11:36):

Because you know what's going to happen.

Alexander McCaig (11:37):

We all know.

Jason Rigby (11:38):

Yeah. I mean, it's a...

Alexander McCaig (11:41):

You're working. Society's working, we're a little deer, we're just munching on our clover, doing our thing, just trying to evolve. And then this wolf's just hanging out.

Jason Rigby (11:50):

But we have to look at it this way because people don't realize this.

Alexander McCaig (11:54):

Tell me.

Jason Rigby (11:54):

The same show can turn around and show the flight of the wolf and that the wolf is barely starving and here's the cubs. And then this cub is growing up and you watch this cub and they've named it Wolf 127. And Wolf 127 barely made it when it was a cub, but now it's surviving and it needs to eat more because. Now you're all excited that it's eating.

Alexander McCaig (12:17):

Yeah. Like, "Go eat."

Jason Rigby (12:17):

Go eat, get it. You eat some food.

Alexander McCaig (12:22):

You get that damn deer and you eat it.

Jason Rigby (12:23):

So our perspective, and this is a problem. And I don't want to get too much of a tangent on this, but this is a problem with social media.

Alexander McCaig (12:30):

Okay, go ahead.

Jason Rigby (12:31):

Because I can watch an hour worth of police brutality. And then I feel like cops are the worst thing ever. I can watch an hour of cops doing amazing things-

Alexander McCaig (12:42):

So you're like, "Cops are the best thing ever."

Jason Rigby (12:43):

But the data, the logical data states, that majority of situations that cops are doing are boring.

Alexander McCaig (12:51):

They are.

Jason Rigby (12:53):

It's just an exchange. It's actually pretty boring, so 90% of it. So both of those are on the extremes, the wolf, the deer. So what begins to happen is when we're looking at stories like this, we have to make sure we take the data and we understand. And then this is why with TARTLE, we get so philosophical because you need to understand those stories that are on MSNBC or CNBC or Bloomberg or whatever you have, CCTV and freaking Rush, they all have these monetary policy, basically central bank-backed channels. I mean, who's running these?

Alexander McCaig (13:30):

So they're telling them all of your narratives need to support what we're doing.

Jason Rigby (13:34):

Yes, over and over and over again.

Alexander McCaig (13:36):

Constantly. So what are you going to do? All you you can-

Jason Rigby (13:39):

They can switch the narrative on people so quickly.

Alexander McCaig (13:41):

So all you get is [inaudible 00:13:42]-

Jason Rigby (13:42):

Because they have control.

Alexander McCaig (13:43):

Yeah. They have total total perspective control.

Jason Rigby (13:46):

And this is what he says. He says, "We seed conscious control over most aspects of our lives."

Alexander McCaig (13:46):

We do, but how-

Jason Rigby (13:51):

We voluntarily say, "Here you go, government."

Alexander McCaig (13:55):

Yeah, "Here you go. Take it." I'm not trying to tell people to stir up and go crazy and just have a crazy anarchy.

Jason Rigby (14:02):

But I like what I like what he says here, "Central banks engage in expansionary monetary policy are actively, and you talked about this, are actively stealing time from free people."

Alexander McCaig (14:15):

Yeah. That's the whole point. They know that the most valuable asset on a human being is time. And so if you're working and they rob you essentially of that work, they're robbing you of time, they're robbing you of your life.

Jason Rigby (14:27):

But it's even more than that because as they create inflation, as they increase money supplies, then they reallocate claims on productive capital from the majority to a politically favored view.

Alexander McCaig (14:38):

Yeah, they do it all the time.

Jason Rigby (14:39):

So it's the reverse Robin Hood.

Alexander McCaig (14:41):

Yeah. It's horrible. Horrible.

Jason Rigby (14:43):

It's the rich making the rich richer.

Alexander McCaig (14:45):

You know what the Robin Hood is? We're all paying in with our time and then they just reallocate that resource to the ones that favor them in whatever choice they want to do.

Jason Rigby (14:54):

But especially here in the United States, it's a great thing. So these rich are getting richer. And then they put on these costumes called Republican and Democrat. And then they get us all riled up. "Oh, [inaudible 00:15:05], I'm Joe Biden."

Alexander McCaig (15:05):

They don't know that the same banker-

Jason Rigby (15:06):

Both of them are making shit loads of money.

Alexander McCaig (15:11):

And they're probably hanging out in the same room going to the same-

Jason Rigby (15:11):

They're smoking cigars.

Alexander McCaig (15:12):

Going to the same islands, if you know what I mean?

Jason Rigby (15:13):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (15:14):

It's like, why?

Jason Rigby (15:17):

Yeah. It's the easiest thing and people get so wrapped up in this. They get so wrapped up in this, in the narrative, when they don't realize the narrative is flipped.

Alexander McCaig (15:25):

Yeah. Why don't they see see the scam?

Jason Rigby (15:27):

With the...

Alexander McCaig (15:28):

Why don't they see the scam? Why? Because people are living it every single day. They think that seeding their sovereignty over to these groups is how life should be. It's not.

Jason Rigby (15:38):

Yeah. And how long have they continued through these policies to extend the working lives of us?

Alexander McCaig (15:44):

Oh my gosh.

Jason Rigby (15:46):

The savings, the savings? Our savings are worthless.

Alexander McCaig (15:51):

Absolutely worthless.

Jason Rigby (15:52):

People are working till 70, 75.

Alexander McCaig (15:56):

That just keeps increasing.

Jason Rigby (15:57):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (15:58):

They're just burning through that stuff.

Jason Rigby (15:59):

But people aren't realizing this. That alone, by them increasing the age of that, and eventually doing away with retirement and pension funds and all that, all of that is a manipulation. It's a play on us.

Alexander McCaig (16:12):

Correct. And you know what I like? Can I just... Let me tee this off now. You know what I like about TARTLE? Apart from the fact that we run the company. It gives people sovereignty.

Jason Rigby (16:23):

And that we're involved.

Alexander McCaig (16:24):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (16:25):

That's the beautiful part to like.

Alexander McCaig (16:26):

Yeah. It reinforces individual sovereignty. You get total control over the creation, holding and exchange of your asset, determined by your own choice on value. No other outside group is doing it.

Jason Rigby (16:43):

Yes. Yes, exactly.

Alexander McCaig (16:44):

That means collectively with every new human being that joins every single day, they're all coming in to support the value of something they rightfully own.

Jason Rigby (16:53):

And this is why it's so important. And we tell people over and over again, we're not asking you to tell your friends and family to grow. We're asking you, it creates more value. The more sellers we have on the system which is you selling data, the more you tell your friends and family, they get on and they sell their data. The more buyers we have of data, it's a marketplace. It drives the value up.

Alexander McCaig (16:53):

It just drives it up.

Jason Rigby (17:14):

So the work that you do and that you share exponentially with other people creates more value. Unlike monetary inflation, which is, as Robert Reid Love says it's a direct violation of private property rights and individual sovereignty.

Alexander McCaig (17:28):

Okay. So I guess then, de facto, we are just completely opposed to everything a central bank would do.

Jason Rigby (17:38):

Well, TARTLE is-

Alexander McCaig (17:39):

[inaudible 00:17:39].

Jason Rigby (17:39):

... the answer to this.

Alexander McCaig (17:39):

I know.

Jason Rigby (17:41):

Because the answer to this is decentralized humans doing work.

Alexander McCaig (17:48):

Giving choice.

Jason Rigby (17:49):

Yeah, giving choice and then being able to be paid for that work properly.

Alexander McCaig (17:54):

Right.

Jason Rigby (17:55):

Without it... I mean, think about that.

Alexander McCaig (17:56):

And if our future is inherently digital, which is obvious, well then where's the value going to sit? The value will be within data.

Jason Rigby (18:08):

And he uses three words I think is really good, we can close it out with this. He says, where are we going to give? Where are we going to go? How are we going to decide with our vigilance, the sacred sovereign energies that we have-

Alexander McCaig (18:23):

He is just [inaudible 00:18:24].

Jason Rigby (18:23):

... where are we going to give that? Yeah, where are we going to give that? And we know... I mean, the safest places is-

Alexander McCaig (18:30):

TARTLE.

Jason Rigby (18:30):

He says Bitcoin, but the safest place, which is fine if you want to invest, that's a hard asset.

Alexander McCaig (18:34):

Go ahead, yeah.

Jason Rigby (18:35):

But TARTLE is the safest marketplace out there.

Alexander McCaig (18:39):

Because you are in 100% control.

Jason Rigby (18:42):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (18:43):

It is by design, can't be manipulated. Just can't. Even as the people running it, we can't manipulate it. We can't see your data. We can't determine the price for you.

Jason Rigby (18:56):

No.

Alexander McCaig (18:56):

Nothing. It has nothing to do with us. All we did was create-

Jason Rigby (18:59):

Yeah, exactly. 100%.

Alexander McCaig (18:59):

We created the bridge.

Jason Rigby (19:00):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (19:01):

Now it's time for you to cross it.

Jason Rigby (19:03):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (19:04):

And that sovereignty, don't give it to anyone else. Give it to yourself.

Jason Rigby (19:07):

It's as simple-

Alexander McCaig (19:08):

Take it back.

Jason Rigby (19:08):

I was sharing with someone yesterday, it's as simple as you going out to the jungle getting some mangoes.

Alexander McCaig (19:14):

I love mangoes.

Jason Rigby (19:15):

Coming to a marketplace. You paid the money for that booth. You put your mangoes on there. A person comes to you and says, "I'd like to buy that mango." You say, "It's 200 pesos." He says, "Well, I'll pay you 100 pesos."

Alexander McCaig (19:28):

And you're like...

Jason Rigby (19:29):

"Mm... Can we do 150?" And then he's like, "Okay, yeah. 150."

Alexander McCaig (19:31):

Yeah, great.

Jason Rigby (19:32):

And then that transaction is completed.

Alexander McCaig (19:34):

Yeah, that's-

Jason Rigby (19:36):

That booth, that marketplace is TARTLE.

Alexander McCaig (19:39):

That's all it is. Oh, by the way, it doesn't cost anything to join. It's even better than bringing your mangoes to the marketplace.

Jason Rigby (19:43):

Yeah. You don't have to have a booth fee.

Alexander McCaig (19:45):

No, there's no booth fee.

Jason Rigby (19:46):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (19:49):

Yeah. I don't know. I was just like, "Ah, the obviousness."

Jason Rigby (19:55):

So private property rights and individual sovereignty, those two answers are solved through TARTLE.

Alexander McCaig (20:02):

Yeah, the second you sign up and you can do that for free at tartle.com. Thank you.