What is Energy? Pt. 1
Statism is a general term that applies to some degree to just about every type of socioeconomic structure you can think of. That’s because in all of them, from capitalism to fascism to communism, there is some level of state control. Obviously more in some than in others. Certainly, capitalism allows for a lot more individual freedom than the other two isms mentioned and pretty much any other that has been tried before. Still, there is some level of control that is given up by sovereign individuals. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say they are individuals who should be sovereign.
What is interesting is that all of these systems at least begin by people choosing to give up some control to a centralized government. Eventually, the government is given enough control that it begins to take whatever more control it wants regardless of what the people have actually chosen. That’s when you get various forms of despotism, from those we are most familiar with like fascism and communism to oligarchies like what the capitalism of the West is fast becoming, if it isn’t already there.
It naturally has to be recognized that anarchy (not in the chaos in the streets sense, but in the complete lack of government sense) isn’t really feasible. People will organize themselves into groups. We’re hardwired to do so. And unfortunately, that means we are going to need to be protected from other groups at some point. You can be as peaceful as you want in group A but group B down the other side of the valley may just decide your grass is greener. That means there will be some kind of provision for a military and an apparatus for trade with different groups. Peaceful, free, and fair trade, coupled with the backing of a military have probably prevented more wars than we will ever know. If there is no need to get the stuff needed by force with fair and free trade and if trying to do so would be met with an equal or greater force, then peace is maintained. Regardless, this basic society doesn’t actually require much in the way of a federal, centralized government. In fact, the necessary government would be pretty small.
That is exactly how the United States was originally set up. The Federal Government was meant to deal with foreign nations, preferably through trade but also through war if we were to be attacked. These minimal activities didn’t require much in the way of taxes to support them either. Yet, we have clearly gotten very far afield from those golden days.
Now, it looks like we are moving into something different. Digital technology is empowering and returning power back to individuals in ways that haven’t been possible before. It has opened up communication and resource sharing beyond borders. The TARTLE team is just one example we happen to be familiar with. We have team members from New Mexico to the Philippines. Massive corporations shift their own resources and finances around with a few keystrokes. Individuals can start their own businesses, earn, sell, and make purchases with Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. The world is becoming decentralized in a way that actually makes the familiar nation state look like a dinosaur.
Like the dinosaurs, the nation state is slow to react to changes while individuals can be much more flexible. That’s why states and major businesses are trying to control technology and data, both the development and distribution of it. In a sense, both business and government (which Chesterton referred to as Hudge and Gudge, two entities that inevitably merge) rely on people to be their technology creation labor force, and then use that technology to increase their level of control.
Next time, we’ll get deeper into sovereignism and the question of what energy is.
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ventually, the government is given enough control that it begins to take whatever more control it wants regardless of what the people have actually chosen.
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Welcome to TARTLE Cast with your hosts, Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby, where humanity steps into the future and the source data defines the path.
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It's awesome, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh-
Jason Rigby (01:00):
That was really cool, yeah.
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Jason Rigby (01:02):
Yes. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (01:03):
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Jason Rigby (01:05):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
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The place is busy.
Jason Rigby (01:08):
So I want to get into today, Mr. Alexander McCaig-
Alexander McCaig (01:11):
You always tease us off. I want to get into it.
Jason Rigby (01:13):
Yeah, I want to get into it.
Alexander McCaig (01:13):
Let's get into it.
Jason Rigby (01:14):
Yeah, let's get into... well, I get excited when I read these articles.
Alexander McCaig (01:16):
I'm freaking excited.
Jason Rigby (01:17):
And I see stuff online, and then I send them to you when we go over them.
Alexander McCaig (01:20):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (01:21):
This is a huge word. And this great new pioneer in Bitcoin and people understanding cryptocurrency, Robert Breedlove, he wrote an article on Medium called Sovereignism Part 1: Digital Creative Destruction. We're not going to get into Bitcoin as much because Bitcoin is data.
Alexander McCaig (01:39):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (01:39):
But I want to use his article to springboard off of the sovereignty that we have as individuals-
Alexander McCaig (01:45):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (01:45):
... and then the sovereignty that we have with our data.
Alexander McCaig (01:47):
Right. Let's kick it off. I just want to talk about his first sentence here... Actually, I'll do the first two. It says, "Statism is a system of socioeconomic organization, which originated in the industrial age. Statism includes all state implementations of capitalism, communism, fascism, and all other state-isms; it does not refer to these ideologies in any pure sense." It's just a thing.
Jason Rigby (02:21):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (02:22):
Some group or central authority creates an idea about socioeconomic principles: how does money and society blend together.
Jason Rigby (02:30):
Well, and people think it's such a huge thing, and he talks about this; communism, you display communism at your house.
Alexander McCaig (02:39):
I thought you were going to call me a communist.
Jason Rigby (02:40):
No, no, no. But most people live a communistic life inside their home.
Alexander McCaig (02:46):
Yeah. It's the commune.
Jason Rigby (02:48):
Yeah, exactly.
Alexander McCaig (02:48):
Your house is the commune.
Jason Rigby (02:48):
Yeah, exactly, and the way that you interact with your children and your wife or your husband, partner, whatever it may be, the dogs.
Alexander McCaig (02:54):
How much you're fascist.
Jason Rigby (02:54):
Yeah. Yeah. Capitalism and communism... He gets into this; capitalism and communism is not that far off.
Alexander McCaig (03:02):
No, no. There's a state-isms.
Jason Rigby (03:04):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (03:05):
Anything that's a state-ism means anti-sovereignism for you.
Jason Rigby (03:10):
Okay. And I heard this the other day, and I want people to understand this and I want you to talk about this. There was a guy the other day, then he said, "Government is only one thing." And he goes, "I'm reducing it down through first principles." He said, "Government is this and this alone; it is force."
Alexander McCaig (03:28):
And that's all it is.
Jason Rigby (03:29):
And if you really think about that, that's so brilliant because we need... When we decide, as individuals, to give up to the government a percentage of our sovereignty collectively so that we have a military to protect us because each of us, individually, can't do that. Trade, this was what the constitution was given for.
Alexander McCaig (03:48):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (03:48):
Trade so that we could trade amongst each other, state to state.
Alexander McCaig (03:51):
Freely.
Jason Rigby (03:52):
Freely, and then we can trade into other corporations. And collectively, we have a lot of power-
Alexander McCaig (03:56):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (03:57):
... so we choose to give them that.
Alexander McCaig (03:59):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (03:59):
But why do we feel that the answer to our problems, culturally, whatever it is, is to submit our sovereignty in, "let them take force upon us," whatever government it may be.
Alexander McCaig (04:17):
Has no one looked at the data?
Jason Rigby (04:20):
What happens when-
Alexander McCaig (04:21):
I just got to-
Jason Rigby (04:22):
... our country gets to open it?
Alexander McCaig (04:23):
I literally have to say that, has no one looked at the data? If you look at every single time in history, we have done this. It has bit us in the ass.
Jason Rigby (04:36):
Why don't people want to take responsibility?
Alexander McCaig (04:39):
And that's a great internal [crosstalk 00:04:40].
Jason Rigby (04:40):
Why do they want to give it to the government to handle the problem?
Alexander McCaig (04:43):
That's a great internal psychological question, and I think it's the perception that it decreases your risk of life. People don't want to think about things.
Jason Rigby (04:54):
Risk, that's very, very important.
Alexander McCaig (04:56):
It's the risk of their own life and their own actions, right? They're like, "I'd just rather have somebody decide for me." Some people don't even know what they want to eat for dinner.
Jason Rigby (05:05):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (05:06):
So then like, "Oh, the government decide what I'm going to put in my stomach." There has not been one time in history, not one. Look at the data, no NASA scientists would say, "We need to keep going forward with all the government stuff." If you're really a data-driven scientist, you'd be like, "We should stray away from that because the data shows, every single time, our economy collapses, or we start killing our own people," right? It doesn't matter.
Jason Rigby (05:33):
Well, look at the most successful empire, the Roman empire, 800 years, right?
Alexander McCaig (05:37):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (05:38):
What did they do when the weather got good in March every single year? They went to war every single year.
Alexander McCaig (05:44):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (05:45):
A government has to keep itself together and if it has ultimate power. And the only way that it can have ultimate power is by force.
Alexander McCaig (05:53):
Right.
Jason Rigby (05:54):
It centralizes... When you look at the Roman empire, what did you have? You had Caesar-
Alexander McCaig (06:00):
It's OG-
Jason Rigby (06:01):
... then you had a group-
Alexander McCaig (06:01):
It's OG fascism. Do you remember it had the huge bundle of sticks with the axe head coming out on top?
Jason Rigby (06:07):
Oh, we had all of that in the Senate.
Alexander McCaig (06:09):
It's called a fasces.
Jason Rigby (06:11):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (06:12):
A fasces is a coalition of sticks. When you get the coalition, it means you have increased force.
Jason Rigby (06:17):
Don't you have an Eagle that's holding those sticks?
Alexander McCaig (06:19):
Yeah. You have an Eagle that's holding-
Jason Rigby (06:20):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (06:20):
... the sticks, the fascism sticks. And the axe head on top-
Jason Rigby (06:23):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (06:24):
... is representative of God. Why is God represented in an axe head, and then supported fundamentally by fascism? That doesn't make any sense. Why are we representing that everywhere?
Jason Rigby (06:35):
Well, we have God as the all-seeing eye on the pyramid, or so with the dollar. But we could put Caesar there. You could put anybody.
Alexander McCaig (06:41):
It doesn't matter.
Jason Rigby (06:42):
Yeah, it doesn't matter. And this is what he talks about in the article. He says, "Statist implementations arose in the 20th century, when the only known mode of sustainable human organization was a top-down, centrally controlled nation-state."
Alexander McCaig (06:54):
Do you want to know why? Do you want to know why? If they don't do this by force and gets you into the psychological idea that you have to give up your sovereignty, whether it be data or something else, your technology will increase at a rate in a decentralized effort of self-empowerment to where they are no longer necessary; that's what they're scared of. And everyone's walking around scared of their governments; government should be scared of their people, and that's why they try to take these centralized controlled efforts-
Jason Rigby (07:22):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (07:22):
... telling you, "Oh, we're doing the right thing. We've got to put these policies in place for control," because our technology makes them obsolete. We design it. We come up with these ideas. We all know the government is naturally inefficient, but what humans always want to do? We want to be efficient. Nobody wants to go into a house that has a massive heating bill. Do we? No, but that's what we're asking for all the time, in the metaphorical sense, by giving up your power to these people, "I'll pay the huge heating bill."
Jason Rigby (07:49):
And when you talk about efficiency, he says that, "In the 21st century, digitization is devouring every inefficient technological implementation: from media and dating, to advertising and travel."
Alexander McCaig (08:00):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (08:00):
"In the sphere of statism, digital tools are antiquating analog nation-states by radically empowering individuals in novel and profound ways."
Alexander McCaig (08:07):
Okay. So in the sphere of statism, digital tools are antiquating. Our technology... Everything that is created for our own self-empowerment is antiquating analog nation-states. Nation-states are analog. They live in the past-
Jason Rigby (08:24):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (08:25):
... by radically empowering individuals in novel and profound ways. We can evolve at rates that are superbly quicker than a government can evolve. The thing is: governments can evolve. A state-ism is maxed out. Capitalism, that's all it is. It can't evolve past what it is.
Jason Rigby (08:43):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (08:44):
Something new has to evolve out of it, a new breed, a new something else, but it's maxed out. We've put it in a box. This defines capitalism. This defines communism. This defines fascism.
Jason Rigby (08:56):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (08:56):
Okay? We put those in boxes. They can't evolve anymore. We've kept it. It's an upper limit problem. So when we create all these new technologies that don't sit in that bucket, what do you do? You have to leave those systems behind and work towards a new state of evolution. And we, as human beings, individuals, can do that much faster than a state could do it because the state is kept. So what's the state going to do? "We need to get as much control as possible. We're going to keep people in this box and not let them evolve."
Jason Rigby (09:23):
And he says this... And this is so true and this is a tease off of what you just said, "All states are shaped by technology." So they're trying to-
Alexander McCaig (09:30):
Shaped.
Jason Rigby (09:31):
... [shape 00:09:31] their [tech 00:09:31], but then they're shaped.
Alexander McCaig (09:33):
Shaped [inaudible 00:09:34].
Jason Rigby (09:33):
So where is this technology coming from? It is our ability to be more efficient and produce energy with the tools that we have available that we've created.
Alexander McCaig (09:42):
Who creates technology? We do, human beings.
Jason Rigby (09:45):
Yes, yes.
Alexander McCaig (09:45):
And then the state is like, "We need control of the technology." Think about our national labs. We have two of them here in New Mexico. You have all this super high-end technology, but who controls it in the end? The state. They understand that technology is the control center; they get that. And they say: if they can maintain control, that means they keep the border of their box in place and we can't get out of it. Because they'll always be a step ahead because they always claim ownership of the newest technology, not you as a human being, not you through your empowerment. That's why you've given up so much about data. You've let them claim it in, and the state is run by fortune 500, fortune 1,000 companies. It's actually not run by politicians; it's run by capitalism. Capitalism is run by these companies, not by policy makers.
Alexander McCaig (10:30):
And so, when you've given your data to these people, you give your data up to the state. You're not giving your data to you. You're not taking your own empowerment. You're not allowing yourself to evolve at an organic rate. You're inorganically capping yourself. And the last I checked, when things become stagnant, they turn into a swamp; they fester, the pH levels go off and becomes acidic. What do you do then? You die; that's what happens.
Jason Rigby (10:54):
So these governments are dependent off of us to create technology, and then they dupe... I'll use that word. They dupe us into thinking-
Alexander McCaig (11:03):
Dupe.
Jason Rigby (11:04):
... that through these corporations, they need to take our sovereignty by force because that's what they're doing.
Alexander McCaig (11:11):
They look at us as a labor force.
Jason Rigby (11:13):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (11:13):
They don't say, "Oh, look at all the human beings."
Jason Rigby (11:15):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (11:16):
No, it's the labor force.
Jason Rigby (11:17):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (11:18):
I've said this before; the government uses the same statistics to measure cattle in fields and apply that to human beings. Our operative output, as a human being, is on par with how we measure cattle-
Jason Rigby (11:36):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (11:36):
... on a farm. Think about that.
Jason Rigby (11:42):
I'm laughing, but I'm laughing at the-
Alexander McCaig (11:46):
Gosh.
Jason Rigby (11:46):
... absurdity of it. He says, "As man has achieved more decentralized modes of securing property and persons,"-
Alexander McCaig (11:52):
And not as a man, as man.
Jason Rigby (11:53):
As man, yeah.
Alexander McCaig (11:54):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (11:55):
As a man.
Alexander McCaig (11:55):
As a man.
Jason Rigby (11:56):
As a man. No, no, no, as man has achieved-
Alexander McCaig (11:57):
This guy's a fricking showman.
Jason Rigby (11:59):
"New states have emerged: the world has endured a long progression from the tyranny of ancient Egypt to the representative democracies of Western Civilization. In succession with these socioeconomic “phase changes,”... I love how he uses that word and puts it in [parentheses 00:12:11].
Alexander McCaig (12:11):
Because it's a phase.
Jason Rigby (12:12):
"Vast amounts of creative energy are freed in the form of productivity, profits, and capital accumulation."
Alexander McCaig (12:17):
Right.
Jason Rigby (12:18):
So this is what's happening right now; there's a struggle because... And he's talking in the sense of Bitcoin because Bitcoin... And he has this in his bio. He says, he's a freedom maximalist-
Alexander McCaig (12:32):
Yeah, I see that.
Jason Rigby (12:33):
... and Bitcoin is honest money. And he talks about how morally good Bitcoin is because there's no one... It's so decentralized and there is no way for an organization to come in as of now. They haven't figured any way to hack, or do any of those things. It is so decentralized that it's honest money. You have miners that are working it, and there's a cost of that with energy. You have nodes.
Alexander McCaig (13:00):
That's the problem right there.
Jason Rigby (13:01):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (13:01):
No, no. That's the only issue where someone will still have control. Until this fundamental idea of free energy comes out, cryptocurrency, in the state of Bitcoin... I'm going to say, state, just the aspect of it... will always be cost-prohibitive as that value of it goes up. The reason for that, because the mining cost gets too high because of energy, so much like when you go to mine gold. You have to get the machinery, the humans. You have to feed the-
Jason Rigby (13:34):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (13:34):
... humans calories so that they can operate. You have to put oil, and you have to grease the hydraulics and the machinery, right? And then you have to have forges put together to create the tools to get this stuff out of here. That requires it-
Jason Rigby (13:48):
But mining, just like... I know where you're going with this-
Alexander McCaig (13:50):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (13:50):
... but mining, just like gold, there's a cost to it, and that costs just like gold.
Alexander McCaig (13:55):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (13:55):
It's pretty honest.
Alexander McCaig (13:57):
No, no, no. It's totally honest. I'm not saying this isn't honest. I'm saying the only prohibitive thing in the future, where a state will maintain control of cryptocurrency, is through the energy system.
Jason Rigby (14:08):
Oh yeah, because they own the energy system. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (14:10):
They own the energy system-
Jason Rigby (14:10):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (14:11):
... so the state still owns cryptocurrency.
Jason Rigby (14:14):
Yeah. Because if they cut all the energy off-
Alexander McCaig (14:16):
What are we going to do?
Jason Rigby (14:17):
... then you have no cryptocurrency.
Alexander McCaig (14:18):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (14:19):
But then, you have other bigger worries, if there's no energy.
Alexander McCaig (14:22):
No, I know that. But the thing is, if they still control energy cost in a quasi public, or completely public manner, you can't do anything about it. Essentially, the price of Bitcoin, to get it, will always be rigged-
Jason Rigby (14:38):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (14:38):
... if the state is still in control of energy. And this guy in here, he quotes Nikola Tesla.
Jason Rigby (14:43):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (14:44):
Right? Nikola Tesla, he came up with quite a few ways where people could just grab their own energy out of the bedrock.
Jason Rigby (14:48):
That was his idea, is to decentralize energy.
Alexander McCaig (14:51):
Yeah. Because once you decentralize energy, which is the fundamental of all of this stuff... It's the fundamental. Once you decentralize that, government cease to exist, bye, gone, completely gone. Everybody at their house can have their own farm. Everybody at their house can have their own infinite amount of energy.
Jason Rigby (15:07):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Alexander McCaig (15:07):
I can open up a forge at my house and create as much product as I want all day long. It's infinite at that point.
Jason Rigby (15:13):
And if you have a free market, then it gives the ability, literally, for every single person-
Alexander McCaig (15:17):
To participate.
Jason Rigby (15:18):
... to participate.
Alexander McCaig (15:18):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Jason Rigby (15:20):
And he said this... Because I want to get into the Nikola Tesla thing in energy. But before that, I want to back up and go to this because this is probably the most important statement I've seen an article. He said, "Organizational wellbeing is maximized when individual sovereignty is prioritized."
Alexander McCaig (15:35):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (15:36):
He said-
Alexander McCaig (15:36):
Wellbeing.
Jason Rigby (15:37):
Yeah. He said, "organizational wellbeing". He said, " Capitalism did this well, but was hampered by state intervention in the monetary and legal spheres."
Alexander McCaig (15:43):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (15:43):
And we're seeing that now. So now, you have federal reserve and everybody's an attorney, every president we've had is an attorney... Besides maybe Trump, but Obama was an attorney. If you go through Republican Democrat, it doesn't matter.
Alexander McCaig (15:57):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (15:57):
So you have all these attorneys doing all of this legal... Just through your taxes alone, look at the manuals that you have, the legal manuals.
Alexander McCaig (16:05):
It's a joke.
Jason Rigby (16:06):
So he says, "Even more deeply rooted in free market principles, sovereignism promises to be an unrivaled allocator of energy toward the higher satisfaction of human wants."
Alexander McCaig (16:14):
Right. So we need to unlock efficiencies and energy.
Jason Rigby (16:18):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (16:19):
Bitcoin is helping unlock ways for us to be creative about how we mine things.
Jason Rigby (16:23):
And then, we have to be sovereign with that; the individual has to be sovereign.
Alexander McCaig (16:26):
We have to make those choice because that allows us to progress so quickly. He says, "This is the purpose of society. By subdividing labor ever-more deeply, mankind's global treasury of knowledge grows ever-richer, informing the development of better tools and systems."
Alexander McCaig (16:46):
So, if we can allow people to be sovereign over their labor, what they create, whether that's mining Bitcoin or creating data, that allows us to have a global treasury of knowledge that gets richer every day. It's not capped. It's not depreciated in value through us printing money all day long. It's our responsibility to run nodes on the Blockchain. It's our responsibility to take over control of our data because, in doing so, that allows us to evolve, ourselves, rather than having a state tell us how we should evolve as human beings. Human beings want to live. We want to live a long time. We want to live good, long, healthy lives. But when we're capped and compared with cattle and put in these -ism boxes, this prohibits our natural evolution. Think about how far we would have evolved if it wasn't governments, or quasi government corporations coming in and creating all this military technology, just so they can continue to maintain control.
Jason Rigby (17:49):
Force, yeah.
Alexander McCaig (17:50):
Force. It's all been them. I want to own the technology so I can increase force and say, "This is my border. This is my stuff." The government? Did you ever ask anyone if it's okay that we put $1.3 trillion in a new F-35 [Raptor 00:18:05] system that fails? Did anyone ever ask us? But some dude wrote on a piece of paper, "Yeah, it's fine. Go fund Lockheed Martin." Where was our choice?
Jason Rigby (18:11):
But that's force. That's aggressive force.
Alexander McCaig (18:14):
It's force every time.
Jason Rigby (18:18):
Because if you really look at the constitution and you go back, especially in the United States, I know we have global, and I encourage everyone to go to their... Because I know Austria and some of these other countries have more freedoms than we do, and there's a list of that countries that are more free based off of that. But even if you go to the constitution, like I said before, all it was for... The federal government was originally for military-
Alexander McCaig (18:39):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jason Rigby (18:40):
... and for trade.
Alexander McCaig (18:41):
That's all.
Jason Rigby (18:43):
The federal government was supposed to be very, very, very small, and then states had the ability to be able to make those decisions collectively.
Alexander McCaig (18:49):
You collect sovereign within itself, and then the sovereign states coming together to say, "We are united sovereign states."
Jason Rigby (18:54):
Yes. But if they want to make a... If Portland, Oregon wants to make a decision on allowing marijuana and all... I think they had the thing where they allow all drugs, or they decriminalize all drugs, or whatever; that's perfectly fine. Great.
Alexander McCaig (19:11):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (19:11):
And if the state next to it, California, wants to make all drugs illegal, that's up to those people.
Alexander McCaig (19:17):
Yeah. If you-
Jason Rigby (19:18):
The sovereign individuals that vote together-
Alexander McCaig (19:20):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (19:20):
... that's democracy.
Alexander McCaig (19:21):
Correct.
Jason Rigby (19:23):
Then, we can make the choice, "Do I want to live in Oregon? Do I want to live in California?" That's our free will.
Alexander McCaig (19:26):
Nobody's asking anybody though. They're just doing things.
Jason Rigby (19:30):
And I want to get into... Because we've got to close out this podcast. But next podcast, I'm going to continue this. I want to get into energy as truth because he goes into that.
Alexander McCaig (19:37):
Well then, that bridge to that is, where he says, "Optimizing for individual choice," optimize for you and me as an individual to choose, "is the most energy efficient strategy for socioeconomic organization."
Jason Rigby (19:52):
Oh, that's so good, bro.
Alexander McCaig (19:54):
Did someone go tell a bee what they should do? The bee makes the choice. And through its choice-making, it creates this beautiful organic system that defines itself being naturally efficient; that's what it'll do; that's where it goes. If you allow people to freely move from state to state, they would go to the most efficient states every single time.
Jason Rigby (20:15):
Yeah. We're seeing that now with COVID.
Alexander McCaig (20:16):
No, I know, but that's what I... But still, "I got to change my license-"
Jason Rigby (20:19):
We're moving out of the inefficient-
Alexander McCaig (20:20):
Hold on.
Jason Rigby (20:20):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (20:20):
"I got to sell my house-"
Jason Rigby (20:21):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (20:22):
"... because I got a mortgage on it. I got to change my license. I got to call the insurance company." People are like, "This is just too cost prohibitive. I can't go. It's too much. I'm too wrapped into the policies stuck here. I can't change states." That's what happens. Your choice is gone. You don't realize you were just throwing it all away, all your free will, all that stuff. If you don't have freedom of movement, you're not free. If you don't have freedom of thoughts, you're not free. If you don't have freedom over the money, you're not free. If you don't have freedom over energy, you're not free. Hands down.
Jason Rigby (20:50):
To close this out, how does TARTLE give you that freedom?
Alexander McCaig (20:54):
Freedom is found through saying, "This is my information." If you want it from us, you got to pay us because it's our value; it's our choice to claim this, and then we can choose what we want to do with our profits. We don't want to put our money towards an F-35 [Raptor 00:21:15] program. We want to put it towards helping the oceans, helping human rights. I don't want to put it into the military. I want that choice.
Alexander McCaig (21:24):
TARTLE offers you the choice to help human evolution, to preserve our species, not create new technologies to kill our species; that's the fundamental difference, and information at the core is the thing that fundamentally supports technology. And if you're trying to find efficiencies, that happens with data. So you need to take that control back of your data because, in doing so, it allows you to be efficient, to make better choices, to increase your longevity of your life and this planet.
Recording (22:02):
Thank you for listening to TARTLE Cast with your hosts, Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby, where humanity steps into the future and the source data defines the path.
