TARTLE focuses on a lot of different things. We obviously focus on data, on using it to help others, on being Sherpas rather than glory hounds, on reaching out across lines, building bridges, etc. But what if we could narrow it down? Well, that’s what we did. We narrowed down our chief areas of concern to seven things we are trying to encourage and develop in order to build a better world for the future. Here they are.
1: Climate stability – That’s an unusual term. What does it mean? It means primarily minimizing the impact that we have on the climate in general and the local environment specifically. It certainly doesn’t mean keeping the climate the same all the time, it doesn’t work like that. Natural cycles happen. What we mean is not disrupting it. And one clear way to do that is to take better care of the environment near you. One way TARTLE can help with that is by sharing data across the world to find ways to solve whatever problem you are dealing with in your area.
2: Educational access – Wouldn’t it be better if more people had more access to more information? That is exactly what we are about here at TARTLE. We want to help people learn from the mistakes of others, building wisdom and solving problems to build a better society. The data marketplace is constructed with exactly that purpose in mind.
3: Human rights – By its very name, it’s clear that human rights are inherent in what it is to be human. That means everyone, everywhere has the same basic human rights no matter where they live. Just as an example, being able to be educated and living in an environment that isn’t falling apart should fall under the category of human rights.
4: Peace – One would think that as we solve problems around the world, increasing people’s access to knowledge and encouraging the growth of human rights, peace would be a natural result. Our drive to decentralize is also important here, as without significant power centers that people try to protect and expand, as we see each other more as individuals rather than rivals there will necessarily be less conflict. Even when conflict does arise it will be more like a squabble between neighbors rather than a battle between nations.
5: Public health – With more peace comes more resources. Both because we are not devoting resources to fighting each other but also because peace will allow more time to work on developing other, more productive resources. Since one of the main fields TARTLE works with is the medical field, we at least are certain to use many of those additional resources to improve medicine and treatments for all, helping people to live not just longer, but happier as well.
6: Government and corporate transparency – While we hope to work towards a more decentralized society, the fact is that we will still delegate some of the tasks of running a society to some form of government and businesses will still exist until the asteroid hits. Even then, people would rise out of the ashes and form new governments and businesses as soon as possible. What we are promoting is having politicians and businessmen who understand they are there to serve, not to take whatever they can for themselves.
7: Economic equalization – With greater peace and stability comes the opportunity to also lift everyone up, to help out everyone so that no one has to live a life of poverty.
Does this all seem rather optimistic? Perhaps, but we believe people are capable of amazing things, of overcoming incredible odds and doing the impossible. We believe that getting people to get to actual, real, source data will play an important part in that. It starts with us, it starts with you.
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TARTLE focuses on a lot of different things. We obviously focus on data, on using it to help others, on being Sherpas rather than glory hounds, on reaching out across lines, building bridges, etc. But what if we could narrow it down? Well, that’s what we did. We narrowed down our chief areas of concern to seven things we are trying to encourage and develop in order to build a better world for the future. Here they are.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to TARTLE Cast with your host Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby. Where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the path.
Jason Rigby (00:23):
Alexander McCaig, how are you doing, sir?
Alexander McCaig (00:26):
Jason Rigby, I'm doing really well. It's a beautiful morning over here in New Mexico.
Jason Rigby (00:30):
Yeah, it's a manic Monday.
Alexander McCaig (00:31):
Manic Monday.
Jason Rigby (00:34):
That's the Bangles, we're going old school reference there.
Alexander McCaig (00:36):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (00:37):
So I want to ask you something and I think it's very interesting. That moment in time when TARTLE was created.
Alexander McCaig (00:43):
Yeah. There are a couple of things here. So there was the thought when Jonathan and I, co-founder, came together and had a discussion, we had an observation. We stopped for a moment and just viewed what was going on around us. We tried to remove ourselves from essentially the reality of the place we were in.
Jason Rigby (01:04):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (01:04):
And we're watching all these people just do things on their cell phones. They weren't really living in the moment and we were, "Oh, that's interesting." We both have backgrounds in finance. And I'm, "Oh, can we underwrite people on that data that they're all creating on their phones?" Because a lot of the world lacks access to financial products. That's another one of the big seven we have on here, economic equalization. And so we were, "Yeah, I think there's something to do here."
Alexander McCaig (01:33):
I go home, I'm unemployed at the time, not working and I'm sitting there in my bathrobe. I know it sounds like rock bottom, but it was comfortable. It allowed me... It's like one of those things, it's like you put it on, it's like your thinking thing. Whatever it might be.
Jason Rigby (01:47):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (01:48):
And I'm sitting there and I typed this huge paper, 20, 25 pages straight through. And it was just all these thoughts, this creativity that came through and we were, "What is this thing that we are creating?" And I was in that moment and that moment defined the system that is now in 70 plus countries, allowing you and I to sit here and people all over the world saying the word TARTLE.
Jason Rigby (02:14):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (02:15):
When it was just strictly a very, one-off social thing that happened in Scotland.
Jason Rigby (02:20):
So when you look at that beginning and then how it's evolving.
Alexander McCaig (02:26):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (02:26):
And we look at the 70 plus countries, and we look at the world, there was something that happened the other day, we're extremely transparent, so we began to look at some of the issues that the world faces and how we believe or have... Maybe you can use a better word than that, of what is happening in the world and this dire issues that we face and this limited time that we have and how data can be that bridge to be able to accomplish these issues.
Alexander McCaig (03:02):
Yes. The Internet's been around for awhile, but it's been pretty poorly used, frankly. The transmission of information does happen. We've increased the speed at which it can happen, but it's lacked really an incentive for people to share beyond social media. So when we're having this conversation, it's like this data is going to act as that bridge and TARTLE is the incentive for building it. Now, when we look at the system and people ask about it, they think, "It's fantastic, I can control my data. I can earn money from it." That's well and good because it talks a lot about what, in this brief moment is a big social change or political highlight, politicians want to talk about is this hoarding of data and its value and all these other things.
Alexander McCaig (04:04):
That's just one small aspect. But when we begin to expand and look at the greater holistic nature of what this tool has the ability to help with, you and I discussed and the rest of the team, what is if that can be solved? If data is the bridge builder, if data defines our actions, behaviors, wants, likes, dislikes, all of these different things and how we interact on our daily life, because we're recording so much of it, it's important that that information be used in a collective nature to define what our future's going to look like if there are very pressing problems that we may have facing us as total. As humanity. As one single race.
Alexander McCaig (04:58):
So when we're having this discussion, we're well, if we look at data as a fundamental platform for us to be like, now we should focus on what we should put our resources towards because we've brought all this data collectively together. What are those major things that data can help us solve? Increase our timeline, increase our probability of existence, increase the lifespan of one single individual, right? Possibly curing something, creating that vaccine, moving polluted waste out of some of the greatest rivers in the world, sacred rivers to some cultures. And it's not just getting the bulldozer and removing it, but working with the consciousness of the people there and their data to recognize why they're putting trash in the river. Where is that issue? Where is that behavioral thing that is causing them to pollute something that is so important to them? What is that?
Alexander McCaig (06:00):
But we understand that through that data and through this intangible thing we can make very tangible material choices, and these will change our longevity. They will allow us the opportunity to effectuate on our future for the good or the bad. The question is, we need to make that choice. Data is this agnostic observable thing. And so if we're using this tool to bring it all together amongst all these people, and they can get an economic gain out of it, but also collectively solve the problems that are truly threatening this planet and themselves, and their loved ones, it's important that that really be a core focus. That's the core focus of sharing data. That's the core focus for what a politician or a research holder should be dealing with, not focusing on all these other things.
Alexander McCaig (06:53):
This is the real story. This is the thing that we need to have some attention on. And we've broken that down into seven major things that as a person on TARTLE, not a user, but a person, a human being on TARTLE can say, "Okay, I want to share my data towards these causes," or "I have preferences towards these topics. And then after I have earned, whatever it might be for sharing that information, I can then give my earnings back, whatever portion of it, to whatever specific cause that I really care about." So it becomes this full life cycle approach. I've given you the data and now I've also given more money to the people that define things with the resources to make that change. And if you have the collective power of 5 billion wallets coming together to focus on one specific thing, we have all the resources and all the information to build the technology or whatever it might be to go solve that issue.
Jason Rigby (07:54):
Because you know as well as I do, there's this whole desire to escape. This escapism to, we're going to build a different colony on Mars, or we're going to... In this macro view. The earth, frankly, is all effed up and we're beyond the point of being able to fix it, or save it, humanity. And then there's this real nihilistic view of the planet of the haves and the have-nots and what the haves are deciding that they need to do or not do. When we look at TARTLE, we always call ourselves bridge builders, and we see this bridge, the question that we, and you and I have shared this, the question that we ask is, do we have the technology and do we have the resources? If we truly all united, could we save the planet?
Alexander McCaig (08:48):
Right. You asking me that, and I think in my own mind from a logical analysis, absolutely. And here's how I logically look at this analysis. We've created all these problems. So if we have the ability to create them, we have the ability to reverse them. Everything in this world needs to be in balance and equilibrium, we just need to look to what the inverse is. And if these resource holders, these people are saying in a nihilistic view, the planets effed, I'm not going to be responsible for it. I don't want to be responsible for these people that don't want to learn. It's time for me to go and start setting up shop somewhere else and they're taking all the resources with them. What does that leave the other 8 billion people with when 1% goes?
Alexander McCaig (09:35):
A planet to burn on? What's more important? The key for us is to take those 8 billion plus that 1% of it and build a bridge between them. Build a bridge between the people that need to share this information, that want to solve their problems and want to connect with those resource holders so that they can collectively come together as a team and solve what can be solved rather than say, "There's nothing left to solve. It's not worth saving." Of course it's worth saving. It's extremely important. You wouldn't have the ability to go to Mars or the moon, or set up a moon base or do these things if it wasn't for the resources of this one specific planet.
Jason Rigby (10:16):
Yeah. And you look at it and you see all these agencies that are out doing... We'll take human rights for instance, that's our third one. And we see all these different agencies and what upsets me is they're all for human rights, but then, in these higher educational facilities, how we get there, what works the best, what doesn't? Instead of coming together and saying, "I've got this data in this way. We may be a Catholic organization, but I have this information. Here's a Christian organization, that we've been working in Africa pretty heavily, here's what we've decided."
Jason Rigby (10:50):
However it may be, here's a Russian agency. However, that works, it's like, how do we get those people speaking to each other, because in the end, saving the world, saving this big blue planet that we have, it's basically blue, is the outcome. And if we only have 40 to 70 years and people need to let that sink in, that means their children, they may see the end of the world. Scientists, everybody's coming out from all different types of higher learning educations, whether they're in China or whether they're in India or whether they're in the United States or Canada, it doesn't matter, they're all coming out and saying we have 40 to 70 years.
Alexander McCaig (11:33):
How do you incentivize the sharing of knowledge between person and person?
Jason Rigby (11:36):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (11:36):
And then once they have those answers, how do they meet the individual that they collected the data from at their level. Not to say, "Here's the model apply it to everybody." How do you meet them at their level to elevate them to where that is? Rather than say, "You need to form fit to this."
Jason Rigby (11:53):
Yes. That's what's been happening. It's always been this form fitting. And I think when we look at saving this world and we look at saying, "Oh, okay, yeah I'm this organization and I have this ethos, to get to human rights, because I believe in this." If you really sit down and have a conversation, I know this world right now is not willing to do that in its current state, because of everything that... People are blaming social media and they're blaming the news media, and they're blaming everybody but themselves. I look at TARTLE and this ability that we'd be able to have to meet people at their level and say, "Not only are we going to incentivize you, but do you want a better world?"
Alexander McCaig (12:36):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (12:37):
And what does that look like for you?
Alexander McCaig (12:38):
And we don't force it.
Jason Rigby (12:39):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (12:40):
There's an awareness to it. There's no coercion. It's just an educational factor and an opportunity for you to say, "I've shared my data, do I want to go beyond that now? How can I double down on these things that really matter?" And we have these seven major things. And when we looked at a lot of the stuff that is troubling the world, a lot of it is coined in a very negative, combative, divisive sense, a very separative sense. So when we talk about bridge-building, it's important that the vocabulary of how we define these topics builds a bridge, builds a bridge between the thought, the emotion, the sharing, whatever that might be.
Alexander McCaig (13:23):
So when people talk about one specific one like climate change, right? We looked at that, we were, "Ah," or global warming, it has this deep negative perception. But what about climate stability? That's a stabilization. It builds the bridge between the unstable and the stable. It builds the bridge between the non-believers and the believers, the data goers, or the non-data goers, right? The agnostics and the non-agnostics. It brings those together to say, let's harmonize in solving this thing and let's stabilize the world. Let's not try and fight the climate, but stabilize with it.
Jason Rigby (14:02):
Yeah, because whenever you look at these so-called haves and have nots, and I had brought that earlier, and we're seeing it right now, more than ever, this divisiveness, thinking bill Gates is putting chips in people or you have these elite billionaires that are... We have almost this craziness that's going about, and it's on both sides of the house so I'm not pinning one side or the other. But we have these extremely divisive leaders that are saying, "It's my side, that's it, no bridges, let's put up walls and build everything around it." And you're seeing that on, like I said, you're seeing that on both sides.
Jason Rigby (14:45):
We're coming into it with, I think, a fresh perspective.
Alexander McCaig (14:48):
As a third party.
Jason Rigby (14:49):
Yeah, as a third party we're coming. That's great terminology. We're coming in and saying, "Yeah, I get it. I get you don't like this. I get that you're seeing this issue. But the real question is..." And you brought this up, "The real question is, how do they view for tens of thousands of years that, that river's sacred, but at the same time, they're willing to take a bunch of trash and throw it into the river?"
Alexander McCaig (15:13):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (15:14):
Let's work on that. Disconnect and not worry about whether you like burger King or McDonald's.
Alexander McCaig (15:21):
Yeah. Let's not look at the polarization, let's focus on this unsolved disconnect.
Jason Rigby (15:24):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (15:25):
Because this unsolved disconnect can be solved through data and it allows us to focus on things that really require the focus. Not putting our attention on things that aren't really solving it.
Jason Rigby (15:36):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (15:36):
They're secondary, tertiary issues, they're not the primary thing. We as human beings are the key driver for all of these issues. We've built them up over time. The question is, do you want to take responsibility to solve it? And we at TARTLE, with this tool, challenge you to do so. We want you to be on that journey. We challenge the world and the resource holders to say, "Are we going to willingly come together with the right incentives and the right data to solve this thing that is meeting us in the face?"
Jason Rigby (16:05):
Because we-
Alexander McCaig (16:05):
Or are we going to watch this moment pass, and then not be able to hold onto it once it's gone?
Jason Rigby (16:10):
Because literally we have this moment and that's it.
Alexander McCaig (16:14):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (16:14):
40, 70 years we're done.
Alexander McCaig (16:17):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (16:18):
So whether you want to make escape pods and fly to your perfect little world that you've created because you have privilege and let this blow up. I think it's really good for people to get a visual of that. To get a visual of looking at... We looked in and was looking at the Serengeti and all that and just think in your mind of these animals just dying because it's just so hot. It's gone past the point of. And picture Florida and California, if you're in the United States, just being completely under water. You can literally take each of these seven issues that we have and I know it's burdensome... Like you had talked about... We had talked about our previous episode, looking at your death and leaving a legacy. It's almost the same thing. It's like picture what's going to happen in 40 to 70 years and then your relatives or those people, if you have a 10 year old or a 20 year old son, he's going to be involved in this.
Alexander McCaig (17:20):
Yeah. Jason, no dollar earned over the course of your life will ever buy you more time.
Jason Rigby (17:27):
Nope.
Alexander McCaig (17:29):
It is what it is. The question is, do you want to redefine those moments before that time's up? Simple as that. We are not political in any sense of saying that these are important causes here. This is not a political thing. We're looking at it in the sense of data and we're on the side of life. And I want that to be abundantly clear. Whatever your ideology, political standing, background, demographic, socioeconomic stance. It doesn't matter. We're on the side of life and helping preserve that life and the value of that life. And if we can do that with data, then these are the things we should focus on because these are the most forward facing moments that we are going to have to make choices in. Because when those moments pass, time is up and you're not going to be able to buy more time after that moment's passed.
Jason Rigby (18:28):
Yeah. And if we have that shared responsibility-
Alexander McCaig (18:32):
That's correct.
Jason Rigby (18:33):
... and we're creating vast amounts of data. They can't even keep... We talked about this, the data warehouses and everything. All this data's just coming in, coming in, coming in. So we're creating all this data. And then we see this responsibility we have to the globe, and we see that we believe that data can solve this. And you're already doing something every time you go on social media, every time you go on a website, there's data that's being created.
Jason Rigby (19:00):
So you could take something that you're doing in your daily, normal life, wherever you're at in the world, that's agnostic and turn it around and say, "With me sharing this..." Maybe you haven't ever give to a not-for-profit organization. Maybe it's something that you've looked at, but you've never really thought about it. It's as simple as saying, "I believe in peace. I believe that this globe should have peace."
Alexander McCaig (19:26):
Or care about it.
Jason Rigby (19:28):
"I care about it. And I've never really given to anything before, but I know I'm creating this data daily. I'm automatically doing this, so why not I just say, hey, let me take the data and give it towards peace. Because I believe that we need a world full of peace."
Alexander McCaig (19:39):
"Yeah.
Jason Rigby (19:39):
TARTLE is really that simple.
Alexander McCaig (19:47):
Yeah. This is not meant to be fundamentally confusing. This is not rocket science. This is a science of human nature. And human nature is something that is easily understood when you ask a question. When you don't look at the outcomes, but focus on the causes and that cause is the human being. We've been trying to understand human nature by just looking at effects all the time, but we never understood the root cause. We never took the time to study it. We didn't put the focus on it, and now we have the opportunity to do so. The tool is here to do so. I'd love it if you could just name what these seven things are that we want to focus on as the altruistic side of what's happening with this tool.
Jason Rigby (20:37):
Yeah. This is this list here is just amazing to me. And maybe I can have you just give a brief synopsis of each one. So number one, we believe is climate stability.
Alexander McCaig (20:47):
Yeah. At the core of everything, we cannot survive as human beings to have world peace-
Jason Rigby (20:54):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (20:54):
... to have a positive life or growth or evolution, if there's nothing to evolve on.
Jason Rigby (21:01):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (21:02):
If we have no ground to stand on healthily, then what's the sense of anything else? What's the sense of trying to solve politics if there's no world for politics to live about?
Jason Rigby (21:12):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (21:12):
Right?
Jason Rigby (21:13):
Exactly.
Alexander McCaig (21:13):
So when we look at this, stabilizing our climate is numero UNO.
Jason Rigby (21:18):
Right. And then number two, I'm trying to look at it over the light here on number two, educational access.
Alexander McCaig (21:24):
Educational access. It's all well and good for everyone to have economic resources, but unless we become knowing in living experience, we have no wisdom. So after we've stabilized our climate, then we have to take the time to learn. Learn from these mistakes. Learn from these experiences and then we can act upon them properly in a wise manner and that will help move into other categories. Other things that are important for how we then start to define what society should look like, even a global society.
Jason Rigby (22:00):
Right. And number three is human rights.
Alexander McCaig (22:02):
Human rights. These, to us, are inherently obvious. It's a human right. There are 7.8 billion human beings. They should all share in that same right regardless of the border that you sit in.
Jason Rigby (22:15):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (22:17):
If a climate is stabilized, we become wise and educated in what we're doing, everybody should share in those rights. Now we can all understand what those rights are and have them applied properly.
Jason Rigby (22:29):
Right? And then number four is peace.
Alexander McCaig (22:30):
Peace. Great. Stabilized climate, we're becoming wise, we've given rights to everybody. It lacks that fighting. We find peace. We find that harmony in all of us working together now. We understand the value, the benefit of collectiveness, of unifying our efforts and our data and our thoughts and behaviors towards these causes.
Jason Rigby (22:51):
And decentralization and all that plays a role in peace.
Alexander McCaig (22:55):
Right. Because then decentralization says, let's give power back to the person creating it.
Jason Rigby (23:02):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (23:02):
Let's not pass it off to a central authority. We've all learned self responsibility and with that self responsibility, you can find whatever that piece might be. Internal peace or peace within a group of people or a tribe, or a whole nation or many nations.
Jason Rigby (23:16):
Number five is public health.
Alexander McCaig (23:17):
Public health. Great. So we've stabilized our climate. We've become educated and wise.
Jason Rigby (23:26):
Human rights.
Alexander McCaig (23:26):
We've applied human rights.
Jason Rigby (23:29):
Given peace.
Alexander McCaig (23:30):
Peace has come together. Now, that stuff is stable and us living together. Now let's figure out how we can live longer together.
Jason Rigby (23:38):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (23:38):
Okay. Now we can start materially looking at extending life rather than extending life for us still making bad decisions. You know what I mean?
Jason Rigby (23:48):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (23:49):
I don't want to extend bad decisions, I want to extend the best, the brightest, the wisest, the most harmonizing decisions.
Jason Rigby (23:56):
And then number six is government and corporate transparency.
Alexander McCaig (24:00):
Yeah. So after we have come together as a people to define what we want, we can then give that up to the people that can speak on our behalf, not for us, but we tell them what needs to be said so that they can go as a speaker and talk with all these other nations and other people that are speakers, not leaders, but people speaking for that group, that's what it is.
Jason Rigby (24:26):
And then finally, seven is economic equalization.
Alexander McCaig (24:29):
Economic utilization. Money, in my mind of solving everything is at the bottom of the totem pole. Because after we've fixed all this other stuff, our most important things in life, then we can say, let's uplift each other financially so that we can start doing something with resources in our own small groups. We've learned how to interact well. We've become less competitive in the sense of resources are so completely finite that when we spend our money, we start to spend it wisely. And when we earn it, we earn it wisely. And there's no reason we cannot economically elevate everyone at the same time. And we have the ability to do that with the data. You're getting paid for sharing. Where you never had opportunity, it's now been created.
Jason Rigby (25:14):
So I want to end in this. It all sounds well and good and there are people that are sitting there, "Oh, perfect, Alex, that's so awesome. You seem such an optimist."
Alexander McCaig (25:24):
I love hearing that.
Jason Rigby (25:26):
You're such an optimist for the world. It's just this fuzzy, optimistic feeling. There's almost this sarcasm that goes right along with it. What would you say to those people that doubt, not just TARTLE, but doubt humanity?
Alexander McCaig (25:46):
I think they doubt the value of their own life. If you think that we should have some nagging pessimistic view, finite view of this world that is completely limited in that we are not capable of positive evolution and change for ourselves, what value do you see in life? I'm optimistic because regardless of where you are in this world, or what stance you're at, you are human being. And I want that value of what it means to be recognized as a human being, to ring through people's consciousness. That's why I'm so deeply optimistic because I've seen it through my own life and my own experience of that optimism and where it's brought me and what it's allowed to bring other people along with me like yourself and the team and the development and the people that backed this and the people that joined, they feel in that optimism, they feel in that future.
Alexander McCaig (26:43):
And what do you want to do? Not take a risk because you're not optimistic about a human being because you really don't see the value in life. You want to be pessimistic and take no risks about it? It's not about taking risks for the sense of doing risks, right? It's about taking risks because you know it's the right thing to do. I am a walking piece of my own experience. I feel that own wisdom and what it means to value other human beings. I know what those outcomes look like, and whether they're great or little, there'll always be a naysayer on the other side, but I will continue to push that optimism towards these values towards a future that I can visualize in my mind that other people might've said was something that was way out of reality, that's a total failure, it'll never come to be.
Alexander McCaig (27:28):
But I've always beaten that line. I've always towed their ideologies and said, I'm not going to stop there. I'm going to take those more steps. I'm going to walk off the edge of that cliff and continue to float past it. I'm not going to fall. I'm just going to move into a world that you never saw because in your limited perception of what it means to be a human being stops you right there in your thought. It ends your possibilities. It ends your idea of probability for what it means to evolve. You lack the evolution as a person to come in and say, "That's not possible. That's negative. Your view is too optimistic." Says who?
Alexander McCaig (28:01):
Do you have the right view? Because from what I'm looking at, and you telling me that this isn't something that can be solved, you are the biggest problem causers. I'm not here to fight you. I'm here to wake you up. I'm here to shake you on your shoulders to knock the untruth and nonsense out of your perspective, that there are 70 years left and there's more to this world than just you. And you could not operate. You could not exist if it wasn't for all the people here across the planet, having all the interactions and exchanges with one another. We all co-exist. Wake up, expand the perspective, take the horse blinders off and see what is right in front of you.
Jason Rigby (28:37):
So if somebody wanted to be a part of TARTLE and they want to take that first step, maybe they're pessimistic and they're, "Okay, I heard you, you convinced me, Alex, I'm ready to take the first step." How can they do that? Even in a pessimistic mind, how would they do that?
Alexander McCaig (28:53):
Research. If you don't want to be coerced, and I'm not here to coerce, I'm here to look at it in a logical, rational, educational format. I'm here to champion value, self-value and humanities value. Do the research. You and I publish so much material. Our team's designed to make sure that things are so transparent. We're working for your benefit. Comb through it. Look for a hole. Look for us bullshitting you. You'll never find it. We have no incentive to lie, to put things in a black box, to make things confusing. We have no incentive to coerce you. We're here to champion your choice. It's your free will. We're not trying to bend you to make it work for us.
Alexander McCaig (29:40):
It's not some model we're applying to everyone. We want to meet you at your level. So if you're unsure on where to start, don't sign up yet. Do your research. Because if that's what's required for you to figure out for yourself, I can't tell you. I can't make you learn something. You have to learn it for you. It's a Socratic approach to life. I'm not going to define what your world is. You need to step up and define it.
Jason Rigby (30:05):
So let's say they've done the research. They're, "Okay, I'm in." How easy is it for someone to sign up at TARTLR?
Alexander McCaig (30:13):
If you can press your phone, press your thumb onto a phone's flat surface, you can sign up for TARTLR. It's that easy. If you have the ability to use your thumbs, talk the text, whatever it might be, any sort of accessibility option, you'll be able to create an account. Everything's there allowing you to do it. It's time for you to make that choice by going to tartle.co and clicking on that button that says Get Started.
Jason Rigby (30:36):
And my last question, this is going to be a heavy one. Are you ready?
Alexander McCaig (30:40):
I just feel like I've gone on a lot of heavy stuff.
Jason Rigby (30:42):
This one's really heavy. What if there's someone out there and maybe they're in the United States, maybe they're in India, Mongolia, it doesn't matter. We have a map in front of us, we could literally name all the countries. And they're, "I agree with you, Alex, these seven things the world needs to change. I'm 20 years old. I believe in these things, but I don't know if me signing up for TARTLE... I don't think I'm significant enough as a person. Why should I even take the effort to sign up to TARTLE? I'm just a 20 year old, just trying to survive."
Alexander McCaig (31:18):
Have you ever taken a measure of what your self worth might look like? What one little piece of information that you've created, have you ever seen what its impact is? I doubt it.
Jason Rigby (31:29):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (31:29):
But when you sign up, try it. See how far one little piece of information can effectuate something very important. If you don't think you have any value, I don't want you to think that you don't have it. I want you to know. So go on, try and prove to yourself how little value you have. Prove to me. Show me because I want to prove to you that that mindset was false. That every single one of us has something deeply, deeply important to share.
Jason Rigby (32:03):
And collectively.
Alexander McCaig (32:04):
And collectively.
Jason Rigby (32:05):
We have all the power.
Alexander McCaig (32:06):
We have all the power.
Jason Rigby (32:08):
To save the world.
Alexander McCaig (32:10):
Thank you.
Jason Rigby (32:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Thank you for listening to TARTLE Cast with your hosts, Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby, where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the path.
