Drone Scanning Seafloor for Data

Speaker 1 (00:07):

Welcome to TARTLE Cast with your hosts Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby. Where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the path.

Alexander McCaig (00:25):

Good morning. Welcome back to TARTLE Cast. It's all well and good when you have drones flying around in the sky, but over 70% of the earth is water.

Jason Rigby (00:33):

Hmm.

Alexander McCaig (00:34):

So how do we protect that? Can't have a submarine everywhere all the time, right?

Jason Rigby (00:39):

And we're going to talk about that. Is it Thames River? Thames River.

Alexander McCaig (00:43):

Thames.

Jason Rigby (00:43):

Thames River-

Alexander McCaig (00:44):

Thames.

Jason Rigby (00:44):

... in Connecticut.

Alexander McCaig (00:44):

Thames.

Jason Rigby (00:44):

And there's this real high elite type drone, and we'll get into that. But what if we use this drone?

Alexander McCaig (00:50):

Tell me.

Jason Rigby (00:51):

We need to get ahold of these guys. What if we use this drone, we take it to the Land of TARTLE-

Alexander McCaig (00:56):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jason Rigby (00:57):

... and we try to find the Loch Ness monster.

Alexander McCaig (01:00):

Oh, I would love that. I need you guys to scan... I think Loch Ness is 850 feet deep?

Jason Rigby (01:07):

It's really, really deep.

Alexander McCaig (01:08):

That's insane.

Jason Rigby (01:09):

Yeah. Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (01:09):

Isn't it?

Jason Rigby (01:10):

They've scanned him before, I know, but it's always just basic equipment.

Alexander McCaig (01:14):

Well scanning with junk. Yeah, junk sonar.

Jason Rigby (01:16):

So somebody needs to come in with something like this.

Alexander McCaig (01:19):

Put that thing down the water.

Jason Rigby (01:20):

Put some drones in there.

Alexander McCaig (01:21):

Go find that Plesiosaurus, or whatever it's called. That lizard-like dinosaur aquatic creature.

Jason Rigby (01:26):

Yeah, well they've-

Alexander McCaig (01:27):

Plesiosaurus?

Jason Rigby (01:28):

... Yeah. Have you seen those old drawings of the 1800s where it's cowboys and what's the big one that flies with the big beak? The big guys, and they can pick people up or whatever? But they're like a big bird? I don't know the dinosaur name of it. And they've got a huge beak.

Alexander McCaig (01:48):

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Jason Rigby (01:48):

You know what I'm talking about.

Alexander McCaig (01:48):

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. And they got almost the head that lifts up [crosstalk 00:01:52]?

Jason Rigby (01:51):

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, they've had that. There's sightings of them when we were first coming here into the early 1800s.

Alexander McCaig (02:03):

That's insane.

Jason Rigby (02:04):

And then they have-

Alexander McCaig (02:04):

Why can't I remember that thing's name?

Jason Rigby (02:05):

... They had drawings of-

Alexander McCaig (02:06):

I want to say Pterodactyl.

Jason Rigby (02:07):

... Yes, that's what it is.

Alexander McCaig (02:08):

Okay.

Jason Rigby (02:09):

Perfect. Good job. I was thinking, Pleidiadactyl or something like that.

Alexander McCaig (02:12):

Ptera-dactyl. So, earth. What does dactyl mean?

Jason Rigby (02:15):

But they were showing these cowboys in the West, and then they had drawings of these birds coming down and trying to pick them up.

Alexander McCaig (02:23):

That's absolutely incredible.

Jason Rigby (02:23):

So with cowboy hats and stuff like that. So they've have leftover... I mean, it's not a weird thing to think because every time I look at a 15 foot crocodile, or I see a great white shark. You can just see that primordial dinosaur look.

Alexander McCaig (02:42):

That's amazing.

Jason Rigby (02:43):

And how monstrous they are, you know what I mean?

Alexander McCaig (02:45):

They're huge. Yeah, they're huge. And it is a Plesiosaurus by the way, for Loch Ness monster.

Jason Rigby (02:48):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (02:49):

It's considered a Plesiosaurus. No, but you're right though. Someone needs to scan that thing. I want to find it.

Jason Rigby (02:54):

Yeah. That would be awesome, wouldn't it?

Alexander McCaig (02:55):

I like these sightings. I went to a museum once in Maine. Wasn't very good. No offense. But it was something on like some zoological thing on extinct species.

Jason Rigby (03:08):

Oh, those are cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (03:08):

But it just was-

Jason Rigby (03:08):

Big foot and stuff.

Alexander McCaig (03:10):

... Yeah, but it wasn't great.

Jason Rigby (03:11):

It was kind of cheesy?

Alexander McCaig (03:12):

Yeah, and I don't want the cheesy, like give me the good stuff.

Jason Rigby (03:15):

Yeah, zoological section.

Alexander McCaig (03:17):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (03:17):

A mysterious zoological section-

Alexander McCaig (03:20):

Extinct.

Jason Rigby (03:20):

... would be awesome.

Alexander McCaig (03:21):

What is it called when it's extinct, but found again? I don't know? Whatever.

Jason Rigby (03:24):

If you had like an alien museum, and then you showed timelines of that. And then you had all the different planetary systems with all the different... I mean, you could imagine somebody creating this. And then you have this zoological section where you have the casks of the big foot.

Alexander McCaig (03:39):

That'd be awesome.

Jason Rigby (03:40):

Because I mean, primates, whatever they are, leftover, why wouldn't they?

Alexander McCaig (03:44):

And listen, I always eat leftovers out of the fridge. So how come there can't be leftover species?

Jason Rigby (03:48):

Yeah, exactly. I mean, if they're going extinct, which we know at a rapid pace, every day, then why couldn't we have some that have just made it over and are still around?

Alexander McCaig (03:59):

Well, they're good at hiding.

Jason Rigby (04:00):

Yeah. I know in Texas they were showing in the river beds and stuff like that in Texas-

Alexander McCaig (04:06):

Chupacabra.

Jason Rigby (04:06):

... that how chimpanzees were living.

Alexander McCaig (04:08):

I'm sorry, there's chimpanzees in Texas?

Jason Rigby (04:09):

Yeah. Well, Texas also has the largest population of tigers in the world.

Alexander McCaig (04:15):

As that they're owned by private collectors?

Jason Rigby (04:18):

Yeah, it's all these guys that... Which I was having a dream about that the other night. And I was like, we've all seen Joe Tiger and all that stuff, with the Tiger King?

Alexander McCaig (04:32):

Yeah, wasn't it Joe Exotic?

Jason Rigby (04:33):

Yeah, Joe Exotic. But I was thinking like, "Why would you want a tiger?" Out of all the crazy animals, I would want something that's intelligent. I don't know how intelligent tigers are, but there's-

Alexander McCaig (04:46):

Not that it's not intelligent.

Jason Rigby (04:49):

... but I just would want to be able to trust the animal. Like a dog, you can pretty much trust. Yeah, some dogs will bite you. But for the most part, if you treat them well, they'll become associated and bond with you, and you could put your hand in their mouth and they would never bite you.

Alexander McCaig (05:01):

Preferably, I'd go for the giraffe, even though giraffes can get aggressive.

Jason Rigby (05:06):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (05:06):

But the tiger, I just don't want those fangs and those claws going into me. If the giraffe whips me with the neck and I die...

Jason Rigby (05:11):

Cats just make me nervous in general.

Alexander McCaig (05:13):

Something about cats. And have you ever pet some of these cat and the thing just snaps all of a sudden?

Jason Rigby (05:16):

All of a sudden, yeah. Well, it's-

Alexander McCaig (05:16):

I don't want to deal with that-

Jason Rigby (05:16):

... Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (05:16):

... like at 20, 30 times the size, you know what I mean?

Jason Rigby (05:22):

Yeah, I don't understand that. Jon Jones that's lives here. A shout out to him. He's the number one UFC fighter, like the goat. He's like the man, between him and Kabhib. And he lives here in Albuquerque and he has Belgium Malinoises, which are really cool.

Alexander McCaig (05:38):

Those are some sweet dogs.

Jason Rigby (05:39):

Yeah, but he has those jungle cats too.

Alexander McCaig (05:41):

What are you talking about?

Jason Rigby (05:43):

You know like the ones that you can have, but they're really, really big.

Alexander McCaig (05:47):

Is it like Maine Coon?

Jason Rigby (05:48):

Type in Jon Jones-

Alexander McCaig (05:49):

It's a Main Coon cat?

Jason Rigby (05:50):

... jungle cats.

Alexander McCaig (05:51):

Jungle cats? Are you sure it's not like the Maine Coon cat?

Jason Rigby (05:54):

This dude has... You'll know what they are.

Alexander McCaig (05:55):

No, it's not a Maine Coon. I know what they are, they're expensive.

Jason Rigby (05:58):

Well, yeah. I mean he's...

Alexander McCaig (05:59):

They literally are walking around-

Jason Rigby (06:00):

Yes, tons of money.

Alexander McCaig (06:01):

... with these big stripes and stuff on them.

Jason Rigby (06:03):

Yeah, big stripes and stuff. But he has them all over and they'll mess with him. But could you imagine that cat and that Belgium Malinoise getting together?

Alexander McCaig (06:10):

Oh yeah, just mauling each other.

Jason Rigby (06:13):

You would have to separate those. But I think they're cool and I love the look of. I think tigers, and lions, and all of that are... Jaguars, cheetahs. They're all so beautiful, but I just don't trust that little...

Alexander McCaig (06:27):

Would I want to hang out with them? No.

Jason Rigby (06:28):

That Feline brain.

Alexander McCaig (06:30):

I don't even trust chimpanzees.

Jason Rigby (06:33):

Yeah. Oh no, no, no. We saw that where that one ripped that lady's face off.

Alexander McCaig (06:37):

Yeah. I remember there was a problem. There was one in the UK where they had him on a cereal box, like adopt a chimp. I don't know what happened? Some lady had it and the thing literally just mauled her.

Jason Rigby (06:46):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (06:46):

Why are people adopting chimps?

Jason Rigby (06:48):

Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, you saw the documentaries and stuff like that and it's like-

Alexander McCaig (06:52):

That a Jane Goodall one?

Jason Rigby (06:53):

Or the one, did you hear about the one with the guy that gave the birthday cake? So it's a zoo or whatever, but he had become friends with all of them. And so one of them was having a birthday and he gave a birthday cake to the one.

Alexander McCaig (07:05):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (07:05):

Well, you should see what happened to him. Type in birthday cake, monkeys. You'll probably see, but-

Alexander McCaig (07:13):

Oh yeah, birthday cake monkey attack.

Jason Rigby (07:15):

... Yeah. So what happened was, all the other monkeys got jealous, and they don't know how to handle jealous.

Alexander McCaig (07:20):

No, they don't. This is where Jane Goodall failed. This is not a genetic thing here, okay? This is a function of consciousness.

Jason Rigby (07:30):

Yeah, exactly.

Alexander McCaig (07:31):

This was just one of her later lines about how she tried to match ties between the evolution of chimps and ourselves. Oh yeah, the guy got mauled.

Jason Rigby (07:40):

Yeah. So, but they can't handle... You get a group of them and they all get together and get jealous because one got a birthday cake and they couldn't have it? It's just in their nature. You just set up a situation. I mean, here it is. It's like you're my human, and you're showing preference to this guy?

Alexander McCaig (08:01):

[crosstalk 00:08:01].

Jason Rigby (08:02):

Well, we're upset now, and we don't know how to handle how these emotions that are running through our... I mean, it's like, what would you call it? Like just pure rage that they get.

Alexander McCaig (08:11):

Is that what's going to happen when big tech loses control over people's data? And people take back themselves?

Jason Rigby (08:17):

Just imagine that. Mark Zuckerberg just goes berserk.

Alexander McCaig (08:23):

Yes, totally, with the tree branch and everything. You know?

Jason Rigby (08:27):

Ah, that would be funny.

Alexander McCaig (08:28):

Let's spend these last few minutes actually talking about this article.

Jason Rigby (08:31):

Yeah. TikTok will love all this, but...

Alexander McCaig (08:32):

Yeah, great.

Jason Rigby (08:33):

SeaScout Drones to Study Health of Aquatic Conditions in Connecticut. This is very, very interesting.

Alexander McCaig (08:39):

Actually, that title is a misnomer. Health of aquatic conditions? This is strictly like a DOD-funded project.

Jason Rigby (08:46):

The company-

Alexander McCaig (08:48):

This has nothing to do with looking at the aquatic health. This is about security in the water.

Jason Rigby (08:56):

... Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what... I think... And we've seen this before though, Alex, and you know this and we have had episodes on this, where Department of Defense make something and then it turns around and we can use it for a greater good.

Alexander McCaig (09:10):

All the time.

Jason Rigby (09:11):

So I think maybe this is a wishfulness from this Vision Systems.com website. But I thought this was really interesting. So here's basically... So, "According to a recent press release the SeaScout system, which is an actively stabilized towed vehicle with synthetic aperture." I can't pronounce.

Alexander McCaig (09:31):

Aperture.

Jason Rigby (09:31):

Yeah, aperture. "Sonar and multi-beam echo sounder payloads." So it generates-

Alexander McCaig (09:38):

Payload. Nothing positive for humanity comes with the word payload in it.

Jason Rigby (09:41):

... No. Oh, that's so true, bro. I love that. "Allow the partners to generate ultra fine resolution, beam formed imagery in interferometric bathymetry of undersea cables, boulders, rocks and sea floor characteristics in real-time."

Alexander McCaig (09:56):

Sounds like a big mouthful? This is what happens. This thing sounds down electromagnetic waves to the sea floor. They smash into one another, and then the vectors, which they come back. So as they cross one another creating interference, it creates an imagery for them.

Jason Rigby (10:11):

Yeah. This is what they talk about, which I think is kind of cool. "It's an important step towards safely developing the blue economy off shore, and enabling the safe and secure use of our harbors by commercial and government vessels." Because they're going to be able to have imagery in real-time.

Alexander McCaig (10:25):

So, that's a good old fashioned quote. I mean, yeah, this is so we can continue to send drones over the Middle East and our friends in Russia and stuff like that.

Jason Rigby (10:34):

This is good for us. This drone that's in the water. It's just scanning for aquatic. Not that it pops out of the water and goes and visits someone else.

Alexander McCaig (10:42):

No. Yeah, I know. So what happens is, just to give some context. So when I was up in Boston, you'd watch these huge LPG tankers come in. Massive ones. And it would be covered by multiple helicopters, police boats, everything. Because this thing's essentially this enormous bomb that's moving into the Port of Boston, right? In Boston Harbor.

Jason Rigby (11:02):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (11:03):

Boston Harbor. And then from that, they have to protect this thing in the entire time it's there, but they're not... They have divers in the water at all times while the ship's there, but to go even deeper to see if something else may be happening, that's where these drones come into play. So that's the real security [crosstalk 00:11:19].

Jason Rigby (11:19):

You don't have to have the risk of having a diver in there when a drone could be in there.

Alexander McCaig (11:23):

Yeah. It'd be more important if they use this thing to look for dead zones in the water and biological health that would be affecting our climate. But this is just to protect fossil fuels that are moving into ports.

Jason Rigby (11:31):

Well, this is more important than aquatic conditions in Connecticut, because listen to this part.

Alexander McCaig (11:36):

Yeah, please.

Jason Rigby (11:37):

This is the part I thought we'd talk about. This is interesting.

Alexander McCaig (11:38):

Yeah, let's go.

Jason Rigby (11:39):

"Iris Automation, a vision-based technology innovator for commercial drones has been formally," get the word formally.

Alexander McCaig (11:46):

Love that.

Jason Rigby (11:46):

"Invited to take part in the World Economic Forum's Global Innovators Group.

Alexander McCaig (11:51):

You mean, so in the Global Innovators Group. Does 90% of that account for DOD contractors?

Jason Rigby (11:57):

Yeah, exactly. You got to think about this. So we're coming into the fourth industrial revolution. Automation, robotics, all of this. Drones is a part of this. And then now you're getting invited to the World Economic Forum?

Alexander McCaig (12:13):

I just want to be clear, their statement on their website, right? To open up is, "First commercially-available, radial computer vision detect and avoid system for unmanned aircraft." Nothing about that sounds like protecting the ocean. That sounds like, "We've got to protect some borders here."

Jason Rigby (12:34):

Oh, Iris Automation. So you're on their website?

Alexander McCaig (12:35):

Yeah, of course, I am.

Jason Rigby (12:37):

So yeah, they said this, "Amid major global disruptions brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic, it is a critical moment for innovative companies to bring forward new ideas to help protect lives, and livelihoods of communities, and industries around the world." So we want a drone that has an eye on it that has amazing imagery, more than a cop could be, or diver, or anybody else. And then have this thing flying around, collecting mass data on the population.

Alexander McCaig (13:03):

All the time.

Jason Rigby (13:04):

I just see this being like a [inaudible 00:13:05].

Alexander McCaig (13:04):

Yeah. I'm looking at this thing right now. If the thing's detecting small planes at a distance my eye could never see? So this just seems like a good old sovereign spying here.

Jason Rigby (13:16):

Yeah, because listen to this part. This is all in this article, guys. We're not making this up. "Iris Automation will team up with Drone Innovators Networks in developing air safety policy frameworks."

Alexander McCaig (13:27):

So the people doing the spying are creating the framework?

Jason Rigby (13:29):

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Alexander McCaig (13:30):

For the rules?

Jason Rigby (13:32):

So Jon Damush, the CEO of Iris Automation said, "Scaling the use of unpiloted aircraft promises tremendous economic and societal benefits. We are thrilled to work with the World Economic Forum, Global Innovators community to share ideas and drive thoughtful solutions that address the pressing needs of our times."

Alexander McCaig (13:49):

If Amnesty International heard that there was going to be drones flying around scanning everybody's face, they would have a shit fit. I think that's the proper word for that.

Jason Rigby (13:57):

Yeah, exactly. So this is, once again, big tech taking technology and using it for service to themselves, instead of using it for service to others.

Alexander McCaig (14:08):

Yeah, it's total surveillance benefits only for the select few.

Jason Rigby (14:12):

And I don't know if this is the case or not, but what we must be careful is that we don't take, and I don't know if this company's intentions are good or not, we don't know?

Alexander McCaig (14:21):

I don't think we care.

Jason Rigby (14:22):

But it's all economic.

Alexander McCaig (14:25):

Nothing on their website talks about their intentions.

Jason Rigby (14:28):

For helping community.

Alexander McCaig (14:28):

It just says, "Drones Ecosystem. Regulatory Resources." Nothing here.

Jason Rigby (14:34):

So whenever you have innovation and you have something that you create that's amazing. And you get a group of scientists together and you create this, whatever it may be. A drone that can see very well. The first process or the philosophy, and we have this at TARTLE is, how can we use tool to help humanity?

Alexander McCaig (14:52):

I think that's a great way to say that. I heard someone say, this person was Cherokee, and they made a comment the other day that their local tribe use. If it isn't good for everyone, it isn't good.

Jason Rigby (15:07):

I like that.

Alexander McCaig (15:08):

That's a really simple filter for how you should pretty much operate on anything.

Jason Rigby (15:12):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (15:14):

And so when I see this stuff, and this is how data will begin to advance. Advanced tracking systems. The information they're pulling in, storing it in those servers on whoever it might be... But you'll never know.

Jason Rigby (15:26):

All that imagery. You have to imagine, all that imagery is getting stored into a server. And these drones are working 24/7.

Alexander McCaig (15:32):

That's just the drones, not to mention the satellites that do the same thing.

Jason Rigby (15:34):

Yes, of course.

Alexander McCaig (15:34):

You know what I mean? Who's holding onto that? Where's this going? We, as a species, okay? Just need to be aware of what's going on. That's all it is. Just find some awareness and then continue to push yourself onto tools that where you have the most amount of control-

Jason Rigby (15:50):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (15:51):

... over your information, over your sovereign self.

Jason Rigby (15:53):

Like marine ecosystems, and having drones checking out coral reef degradation.

Alexander McCaig (16:00):

That's awesome. Not an underground cable, or looking for a dude... Yeah.

Jason Rigby (16:04):

Schools of fish and seeing how they migrate. Seeing what's happening with global warming. getting temperatures of water in real-time. If that is the true intention of this?

Alexander McCaig (16:14):

It didn't say that.

Jason Rigby (16:15):

I'm a 110%. No, the title said that, but-

Alexander McCaig (16:19):

The title said nothing to what was actually in the article itself.

Jason Rigby (16:22):

The health of aquatic conditions? I'm down.

Alexander McCaig (16:24):

Yeah, let's do it.

Jason Rigby (16:25):

Let's throw those in the water. But is that the true intention of a drone?

Alexander McCaig (16:29):

Yeah, that's what I want to know.

Jason Rigby (16:31):

I was watching a Google thing, and I think I've shared this before, but I was watching a Google speech because Google has these people come. And the guy's like, "Instead of using these drones, these drones can easily plant trees." They have drones that can plant trees really fast, like bigger drones?

Alexander McCaig (16:45):

Sure.

Jason Rigby (16:45):

And they can put a tree, just a certain amount of pressure and they can hold a bunch of trees. So you could literally have hundreds of drones flying around in a forest-

Alexander McCaig (16:52):

Planting trees?

Jason Rigby (16:53):

... just planting trees.

Alexander McCaig (16:54):

Why aren't they doing that?

Jason Rigby (16:55):

It's like, why aren't we doing that? Yeah. Okay. Have them for military use.

Alexander McCaig (16:59):

You want to know why dude? It's not an economic priority. For these larger companies that have these resources, these big seven just don't seem to be a priority to them.

Jason Rigby (17:08):

But why couldn't you take these drone pilots that are waiting, that are just chilling. And instead of having them just constantly... Because drone pilots, there's a whole thing with stress for them, and committing suicide and all that stuff, because they're just killing people constantly.

Alexander McCaig (17:19):

At a distance.

Jason Rigby (17:20):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (17:20):

A huge distance.

Jason Rigby (17:20):

And people don't realize Obama did the most drone strikes out of anybody. I mean, we're not...

Alexander McCaig (17:25):

I'm not making that up. It's just the data.

Jason Rigby (17:27):

Yeah, it's just the data. So whenever you look at them, why couldn't you offset that and say, "Okay, yeah. Let's take the military industrial complex and let's use that mass amounts of power..." Look up the... This is really quick. We'll close on this. I think it's the F35?

Alexander McCaig (17:44):

What about it?

Jason Rigby (17:46):

Type in F35 failed.

Alexander McCaig (17:48):

Failed?

Jason Rigby (17:49):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (17:50):

Do I want-

Jason Rigby (17:50):

And how much money they spent on the program that failed.

Alexander McCaig (17:52):

... Do I want to fly it? Yes.

Jason Rigby (17:54):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (17:55):

Yes. The Gargantuan Budget. That's what they call... The Russians wrote on RT.com something about the gargantuan budget that failed. Okay. $1.7 trillion F35 program.

Jason Rigby (18:12):

So think about that.

Alexander McCaig (18:13):

"Now considered a failure." You guys spent...

Jason Rigby (18:17):

For our big seven?

Alexander McCaig (18:18):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jason Rigby (18:19):

This is what I want to close on, Alex. And I'll have you talk about this. In our big seven, what could we solve with $1.7 trillion?

Alexander McCaig (18:24):

I could probably solve number five, public health. And we could probably solve educational access. Think about student debt. Wipe that gone. 1.7 trillion? Bye. Gone. You know what I mean? Think about all the homeless people in the U.S. You could buy each one of those people a house and then give them money for the rest of their lives.

Jason Rigby (18:46):

Hunger.

Alexander McCaig (18:47):

Yeah, hunger. All that stuff.

Jason Rigby (18:50):

Fixing our food systems. I mean, the list goes on and on.

Alexander McCaig (18:52):

Congress approved the budget to purchase 93 of these things for a hundred million a piece. What? You guys are buying jets and people are starving to death?

Jason Rigby (19:02):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (19:03):

People can't educate themselves? Your data's off.

Jason Rigby (19:06):

A drone's more effective than a jet plane is.

Alexander McCaig (19:08):

Whatever's going on here, our incentives are a little perverse here. They're headed in the wrong direction.

Jason Rigby (19:14):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (19:14):

The world is crippling around us and you're buying more things that cripple the world. Your data's off. Go back. All this other stuff is screaming at you in the face, and you still waste resources that could go to things that truly benefit humanity and not just Lockheed Martin.

Jason Rigby (19:34):

Well, that's what I've always understood. It's like with these drones, why couldn't you have the drones, retrofit them to plant trees, and then have these drone guys in peace time... In peace time, why can't we do acts of peace?

Alexander McCaig (19:45):

If a guy's-

Jason Rigby (19:45):

Why can't the military do acts of peace along with acts of war?

Alexander McCaig (19:49):

Let me ask you this. Buy your hundred million dollar plane.

Jason Rigby (19:52):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (19:53):

And I want you to drop a bomb that splits open and plants a million trees.

Jason Rigby (19:56):

Yeah, exactly. Work on stuff like that.

Alexander McCaig (19:58):

Don't do something that destroys, do something that creates. I don't care if the plane's expensive. All right, so the plane's expensive? Well, use it to do something that really pays back, rather than takes away from this world.

Jason Rigby (20:07):

So if you looked at every DOD project.

Alexander McCaig (20:09):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jason Rigby (20:10):

Black ops, whatever it may be. And you look at those and you say, "Okay, our number one focus is to help humanity, and we need to prepare for war." So in peace time, what can this do? What type of peace missions can we do? What kind of technology can we do to do this? And then that'll keep everybody busy, working.

Alexander McCaig (20:25):

And probably more peaceful.

Jason Rigby (20:27):

Yeah, and more peaceful. Yes, exactly. It'll offset all the negativity. Positive, negative, yin and yang. It'll offset all that. And then run peace missions.

Alexander McCaig (20:37):

That's cool. What a cool mission.

Jason Rigby (20:39):

Yeah. I mean, the list goes on and on in how you can take food, take these C130s and take food to places in Africa.

Alexander McCaig (20:48):

It's just important that, if they are just needlessly spending this much money on a jet, we need to come together as human beings and say, "This is no longer necessary. We don't need to be doing these things." And we need to share that information through our data.

Jason Rigby (21:03):

Just think about it. One program for one jet cost equivalent to student debt.

Alexander McCaig (21:11):

Dude...

Jason Rigby (21:11):

How many other programs are going on? How much other money are we-

Alexander McCaig (21:13):

This is just one... Yeah, that's exactly right.

Jason Rigby (21:15):

... They can have budgets that the government doesn't even know about.

Alexander McCaig (21:18):

We lose money all the time. I couldn't keep track. I don't even know what $1.7 trillion looks like.

Jason Rigby (21:22):

And then they're taking 20, 30, 40% of your income for this.

Alexander McCaig (21:27):

Don't upset me. Don't sit here and upset me like that.

Jason Rigby (21:31):

We won't talk about the IRS.

Alexander McCaig (21:32):

Yeah. See you later.

Speaker 1 (21:40):

Thank you for listening to TARTLE Cast with your hosts, Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby. Where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the path. What's your data worth?