What's happening to consumer privacy? The public backlash against this wholesale data acquisition has started to show itself in legislation around the world. The European Union passed laws years ago meant to curb Google’s monitoring of individuals and just recently California passed Proposition 24. This new law is meant to strengthen digital privacy laws, reducing how much companies can intrude on your digital life. While the proposition certainly identifies the right problem, does it identify the right solution?
By now, it is no secret that companies of all kinds are regularly mining data, your data and doing all sorts of things with it. They use it to tailor what ads show up in your browser, what videos show up in your YouTube feed, the news stories that you see in your aggregator, their own product development, and, most notoriously, sell it to third parties for who knows what purposes. Many have been voicing their displeasure with this situation for years and finally regular people are starting to wake up to the fact that important information about them is being collected and used in ways they may or may not approve of.
The biggest indicator that Proposition 24 won’t work as planned is that Californai would be setting up a massive new agency with a $10 million annual budget. As anyone who knows anything about government is well aware, setting up a government agency is not the most efficient way to spend $10 million a year. Especially since all you really need to do is give people the opportunity to opt out of all the data collection and sharing that a given company does. All that needs to happen is there be a box for the user to check and a few lines of code to make sure that person’s data is not getting collected as it normally would. How easy is that to accomplish? It would take the software gurus at TARTLE about five hours to put together the necessary code. Five hours for a couple of people at a computer. Maybe throw in a couple bottles of kombucha to keep things moving. That’s a lot less than a state run agency with a building and dozens, if not hundreds of people working for it.
Of course, there should be some sort of enforcement, some way of making sure that companies really are opting people out. But let’s be honest, is the government really the best option here? After all, we learned years ago through the information leaked by Edward Snowden just how much information the government was collecting on people through means of, shall we say, dubious legality. Not to mention, these kinds of agencies have a tendency to grow overtime. While this agency would be a California agency at first, it would be a short period of time before other states followed suit, which would quickly morph into a federal agency. By that point, the rules and regulations concerning data would become so convoluted, they would make the convoluted terms of service we all blindly accept look like an Eric Carle children’s book. That is not a model for the future that any normal person wants to see.
What are we to do then? Well, you’ve heard the phrases “vote with your dollar” and “vote with your feet”. You can do something similar when you join TARTLE. You vote with your data. Don’t let the big companies and the government have it in the first place. You don’t have to worry so much about them honoring their opt-out protocols because we are doing it for you. Your data goes through our encryption and the only way it gets out is if you decide it should. We don’t even do anything with it without your permission.
While the stated intent behind Proposition 24 is good and something we wholeheartedly agree with at TARTLE, the legislation itself is as the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) said, “a mixed bag of partial steps both backwards and forwards”. Or to put it another way, good intentions do not good laws make. That is one of the real goals of TARTLE, to represent a third way. Our existence reminds people that they don’t have to choose between global conglomerates or massive governments. TARTLE reminds people that they can choose to manage things on their own, to take control of their data, and their lives.
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This new law is meant to strengthen digital privacy laws, reducing how much companies can intrude on your digital life. While the proposition certainly identifies the right problem, does it identify the right solution?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to TARTLEcast, with your hosts, Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby, where humanity steps into the future, and source data defines the path.
Alexander McCaig (00:26):
Jason, you've just told me something really interesting.
Jason Rigby (00:29):
Yes. Let's get into Proposition 24.
Alexander McCaig (00:30):
No. Before.
Jason Rigby (00:31):
Alex Jones, and Joe Rogan.
Alexander McCaig (00:36):
Let's-
Jason Rigby (00:36):
That is California, Proposition 24, Alex Jones, conspiracy theories of Joe Rogan [inaudible 00:00:40].
Alexander McCaig (00:40):
How does it all come together? This is a joint talk about the transition to this. We have a... Those Pelican cases over here for our sound equipment.
Jason Rigby (00:47):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (00:47):
I'm looking at them like that's interesting. It's got two Berettas and a Glock.
Jason Rigby (00:51):
The picture shows it. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (00:52):
The picture shows it. We don't have that in here, and so I'm like, that's interesting in a weapons case. [Inaudible 00:00:58] for the sound thing it's... Oh, it's like a sound weapon. I'm like, we have a sound weapon.
Jason Rigby (01:03):
Then you're like, that's very Alex Jones.
Alexander McCaig (01:04):
I'm like, that's very Alex Jones. That's when you got into this little story, which I think is interesting, and I wanted you to talk about it.
Jason Rigby (01:12):
Yeah. Of course we all know that Joe Rogan being the godfather of podcasting-
Alexander McCaig (01:17):
Yeah. Phenomenal. Yeah.
Jason Rigby (01:17):
Gets hundreds of millions of views every episode.
Alexander McCaig (01:20):
Good for him.
Jason Rigby (01:21):
He turned around and started a contract with Spotify, and so Spotify said, Yes, we're going to take all your old episodes, everything, and we're going to put it into our system, but well, here's what we're going to do. We're not going to be like YouTube, which is owned by Google, and we're not going to... If you want to have a controversial guest on like Alex Jones, or you want to talk about whatever type of socially cultural issue, that's outright [crosstalk 00:01:47]
Alexander McCaig (01:47):
You can talk about what you want.
Jason Rigby (01:47):
Yeah. Spotify said, you can talk about what you want.
Alexander McCaig (01:49):
With whoever?
Jason Rigby (01:50):
Yeah. With whoever, and you can bring your guests on, and we'll put it in there. Here's what happened. As... They make this agreement. All the episodes are supposed to be on Spotify. Right?
Alexander McCaig (02:00):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (02:00):
With the most controversial ones, including... He's had... Several times had Alex Jones on, which is... They were... Mysteriously said they were having problems getting them onto the-
Alexander McCaig (02:09):
Come on.
Jason Rigby (02:09):
System.
Alexander McCaig (02:10):
Come on. Listen. I'm not a fan of Alex Jones. Right?
Jason Rigby (02:13):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (02:13):
I don't listen to his stuff, but just cut to the chase.
Jason Rigby (02:16):
Well, I'm a fan of freedom of speech.
Alexander McCaig (02:19):
I love freedom of speech.
Jason Rigby (02:21):
Here's my view on this, and I want to get into this Alex, real quick because I think this is awesome. If... And I don't think a lot of people think of it this way. If you get somebody nowadays, that is crazy, and they start spouting out all this craziness.
Alexander McCaig (02:35):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (02:36):
With social media and the things that are going on right now, and it gets out there in the... In millions of different types of ways, it exposes them and shows who they are.
Alexander McCaig (02:46):
Of course. Yeah.
Jason Rigby (02:47):
It will. It will show them, and everybody's so worried about censoring, or canceling people with everything that's going on, but we don't recognize the importance, and why it's the first amendment.
Alexander McCaig (02:59):
No, and it's cool because when someone shows their true colors-
Jason Rigby (03:02):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (03:03):
That's a term that went back towards the-
Jason Rigby (03:05):
I see your true colors.
Alexander McCaig (03:08):
That's an original term from the OG pirates of the Caribbean. I'm not talking-
Jason Rigby (03:11):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (03:11):
About the Disney movie.
Jason Rigby (03:13):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (03:13):
What happened was, pirates would fly a false flag.
Jason Rigby (03:17):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (03:17):
Alex Jones probably loves the term false flag.
Jason Rigby (03:19):
Yes. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (03:20):
Right? They would fly a false flag, and when we get close to the ship, they would then throw up the Jolly Roger, which is then their true colors. At that point, you show your true colors.
Jason Rigby (03:28):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (03:29):
That's where the term comes from, but freedom of speech affords people the opportunity to express who they are, and how they think, and censoring that only hinders the evolution.
Jason Rigby (03:39):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (03:39):
If someone's saying something derogatory and out of control, we'll let them do that. That's them. If they want to look crazy by all means, but there's no reason to censor something like that.
Jason Rigby (03:47):
No, and so-
Alexander McCaig (03:48):
Unless, it's physically harming someone.
Jason Rigby (03:51):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (03:52):
Or it's actually hindering human life.
Jason Rigby (03:55):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (03:56):
Then that's something we need to look at because we want to protect human life.
Jason Rigby (03:59):
But an idiot, it's going to shine through. Regardless-
Alexander McCaig (04:02):
Well, yeah.
Jason Rigby (04:03):
I don't know what I'm saying. Alex Jones is an idiot. I don't condone what he's... He has crazy conspiracy. He's entertaining to listen to, and I look at it as entertainment. It's fun for me but-
Alexander McCaig (04:10):
I love the conspiracy.
Jason Rigby (04:12):
Yes-
Alexander McCaig (04:13):
I just don't know how.
Jason Rigby (04:13):
I do too. We even did a show on him.
Alexander McCaig (04:14):
Oh, yeah.
Jason Rigby (04:15):
But what I thought was funny was what Joe Rogan did. This was all going on, and then that was released because we use Asana.
Alexander McCaig (04:24):
Yes.
Jason Rigby (04:25):
There was released with Spotify employees going nuts on Asana back and forth, threatening all kinds of different things with the C-suite over all this-
Alexander McCaig (04:34):
You mean Slack?
Jason Rigby (04:35):
Yeah. I mean... Yeah. I'm sorry. Slack. Yeah. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (04:36):
Yeah. Asana is a... Okay.
Jason Rigby (04:37):
The task [inaudible 00:04:37].
Alexander McCaig (04:37):
If everybody wants to know how TARTLE manages our tasks, is the... Asana task management system. Yes, it is a company that was founded by someone who did work at Facebook.
Jason Rigby (04:47):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (04:48):
I do like good task management-
Jason Rigby (04:49):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (04:49):
And they have an excellent system. Competes with monday.com.
Jason Rigby (04:52):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (04:53):
But our communication, because our team is remote-
Jason Rigby (04:56):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (04:56):
We are very decentralized. We use Slack.
Jason Rigby (05:00):
Spotify encouraged the high ups... Spotify encouraged them, which I think is awesome. They should encourage the employees to talk about different episodes because he did one that was controversial with expressing whether you're female, or male, or, all the gender neutral, and all that stuff.
Alexander McCaig (05:17):
Sure.
Jason Rigby (05:18):
He had a scientist on there that talked about some of the dangers of that, from London area and came on, and so there was a big uprising with that, but what I thought was funny, all this was going on, Spotify, going crazy and all that. Joe Rogan decides to just bring Alex Jones back on, talk about COVID-
Alexander McCaig (05:37):
Oh boy.
Jason Rigby (05:37):
But it was what I thought was interesting is him and Jamie would stop him. It's an interesting episode, and then fact check him.
Alexander McCaig (05:44):
They would fact check Alex Jones?
Jason Rigby (05:45):
Yeah, And Joe Rogan said-
Alexander McCaig (05:45):
Was he 80% right?
Jason Rigby (05:46):
He was 90% right. Joe Rogan said he was 90% right.
Alexander McCaig (05:51):
I'll give it to him. That's pretty good.
Jason Rigby (05:53):
Then one of the things I thought was really cool was, Joe Rogan was talking about... Alex Jones was talking about the Island and Epstein, and all that. He's like, "He literally told me this stuff 10 years ago." The... I know it can be horrific, it can sound crazy, but you need that fringe on all sides.
Alexander McCaig (06:12):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (06:12):
You need the artist, the creative, you need that person that's inseminating all this information, and putting puzzle pieces together.
Alexander McCaig (06:18):
You need it. It's like something against the grain sometimes.
Jason Rigby (06:20):
Yes. You need that.
Alexander McCaig (06:23):
Because you need sometimes a little bit of a crazy perspective.
Jason Rigby (06:25):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (06:27):
When people... When we were starting this company, people were like, that's insane.
Jason Rigby (06:32):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (06:33):
This will never happen. That's crazy. That's crazy to think like that. Look at me now.
Jason Rigby (06:39):
Yes. Exactly.
Alexander McCaig (06:40):
I'm not just saying that to prove a point, but it's just, I was against the grain.
Jason Rigby (06:44):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (06:45):
It wasn't heard, and now it's being heard.
Jason Rigby (06:47):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (06:47):
It's... We're adopted in over 58 countries. It's not that insane.
Jason Rigby (06:51):
That's how this world what was built. That's how we evolve.
Alexander McCaig (06:54):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (06:55):
We look 200 years ago, and look at humanity and say how primitive they are, and I guarantee you 200 years from now, they're going to look back at us.
Alexander McCaig (07:01):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (07:01):
And see how-
Alexander McCaig (07:03):
Look how primitive they are.
Jason Rigby (07:03):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (07:04):
Their way of thought. The interesting thing is, you don't do it, or at least I don't do it because it's perceived as crazy.
Jason Rigby (07:14):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (07:14):
Or it's a high risk. I do it because I truly feel-
Jason Rigby (07:18):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (07:18):
At my core, it's the right thing to do. I'm so passionate about that right thing-
Jason Rigby (07:24):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (07:24):
That it can come off as crazy. It comes off as that high energy.
Jason Rigby (07:27):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (07:28):
But I need to have that energy there to support the people in the systems to listen, to actually manage all these things. You can't just go on it lackluster and lazy.
Jason Rigby (07:35):
History will judge truth.
Alexander McCaig (07:37):
It does.
Jason Rigby (07:38):
It always comes out. It shines a light on-
Alexander McCaig (07:39):
Well, it's not history judging it. It's time.
Jason Rigby (07:41):
Yes. Time. Yeah. That's beautiful.
Alexander McCaig (07:43):
Because no matter what, truth is always there. It's unchangeable, and time will always clear through all the BS.
Jason Rigby (07:51):
I love the... This process of how we do a podcast in this long form conversations. However controversial Joe Rogan is, or Alex Jones, or [inaudible 00:08:00] for people to be able to... It used to be that way. Like the political debates that we saw, in these 10, 15 minute things and then putting a timer on situations. Literally... Okay, you have five minutes to speak about foreign policy.
Alexander McCaig (08:14):
How would you... How can you-
Jason Rigby (08:14):
How the hello-
Alexander McCaig (08:14):
How do we give anything educational, constructive, or clear in 15 minutes?
Jason Rigby (08:20):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (08:21):
Then it just becomes combative punch for punch.
Jason Rigby (08:23):
Do you remember when... I remember seeing Abraham Lincoln, and all these others... They would literally spend days giving speeches, or having conversations-
Alexander McCaig (08:31):
Go back to ancient Greece-
Jason Rigby (08:33):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (08:33):
You'd have guys walking around in their white robes, just debating-
Jason Rigby (08:39):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (08:39):
For a long time.
Jason Rigby (08:40):
Time. Right.
Alexander McCaig (08:40):
It was a slow democratic process.
Jason Rigby (08:43):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (08:43):
There was a reason for that.
Jason Rigby (08:45):
Yes. There's a reason, and we've just shortened everything to little soundbites, and then if we don't like the soundbite, whether it's taken out of context or not, then we just cancel that.
Alexander McCaig (08:53):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (08:54):
That person is just blip. They're gone.
Alexander McCaig (08:55):
Yeah. We censor it.
Jason Rigby (08:56):
Yeah, and I beg to differ because I think there's an opportunity for humanity to practice forgiveness-
Alexander McCaig (09:02):
Yeah. I-
Jason Rigby (09:02):
In anything that we do.
Alexander McCaig (09:03):
I agree. When you censor, you take away the control of the person that created the content.
Jason Rigby (09:10):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (09:11):
Let's talk then about-
Jason Rigby (09:13):
Proposition 24.
Alexander McCaig (09:14):
Proposition 24.
Jason Rigby (09:15):
This is... California is approving more data privacy rules. So far, it's leading 56% of the vote, but I'm pretty sure it'll pass so we can look... I'll look it up while you're talking here in a second, just to make sure.
Alexander McCaig (09:28):
Yeah. You needed [inaudible 00:09:28].
Jason Rigby (09:29):
Yes. A proposition for what updated a 2018 law that gave Californians the right to know what information companies collect about them online, the right to get that data deleted, and the right to opt out of the sale of their personal information.
Alexander McCaig (09:41):
Let's think about this. When the tech bubble was really kicking off, it was very easy to black box a lot of these things. People were so starstruck.
Jason Rigby (09:51):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (09:52):
With all these cool new technologies. All this communication. No one ever really thought about the secondary effects. Where's this information going? What's being collected? Is the government even looking at it. You've known. Even that Edward Snowden film, sometime... It came out a couple of years ago. It was phenomenal.
Jason Rigby (10:09):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (10:09):
Talked about XKeyscore.
Jason Rigby (10:10):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (10:11):
It analyzed, and indexed everything on the internet that was stored, and then you could just search between whatever you wanted to look for and then pull up those people. Right? You can look through the webcams, or equipment, or whatever it might be. They're probably still doing it. Why would they stop?
Alexander McCaig (10:25):
But the point is that only now have we begun to realize that we were the creators of that content, and luckily Californians were pushing to pass this thing that was like, we recognized our mistake, and now we're trying to clean up the mess. Now we're starting to see the risk of us just giving our information out all over the place, ad hoc, and now we want to take control, bring the reins back in. This is sort of a social change that is happening, and they are asking for help because a large majority of those Silicon Valley firms hold a good body of that data, whether it's servers here, or servers in Ireland, whatever it might be, it's, how do I see what they did collect on me? Because I didn't know, and the terms and conditions were way too long, way too... Just ridiculous to read, frankly.
Alexander McCaig (11:19):
Okay? They're just too confusing for any normal person to go and look at. It was, I want to go back and see what was collected and I... Do I want to rein it in? Do I want them to delete it? Am I okay with them having it? It's really not a function of managing the data, but rather giving people a choice over what they didn't realize they had a choice over doing before. Does that make sense?
Jason Rigby (11:40):
Yeah. No, that makes sense. The part that I worry about this, because I understand now, but this always gets me, and maybe I'm wrong and you can speak to that, is that they want to create a dedicated state agency to enforce soon and all with an budget of 10 million. How do you speak when... I like the idea, but wouldn't it be simpler to allow... Because I want... I'm trying to speak on this in a way. Wouldn't it be simpler to allow the consumer to opt out a lot easier to simplify the process-
Alexander McCaig (12:15):
It's-
Jason Rigby (12:15):
In that?
Alexander McCaig (12:15):
Let me-
Jason Rigby (12:15):
Instead of creating a state agency?
Alexander McCaig (12:18):
I'll tell you how easy this is. We develop and write code constantly to put a check box for opt out, or delete my data.
Jason Rigby (12:28):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (12:28):
Would take us maybe under five hours.
Jason Rigby (12:31):
Yeah. Because you get the cookies now.
Alexander McCaig (12:32):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (12:33):
Do you want to accept? Allow...
Alexander McCaig (12:34):
But now the question is, can I pull stuff off the servers? It doesn't take long to do that.
Jason Rigby (12:39):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (12:39):
All you need to know is the account associated with it, and we just run the script. It's not difficult to do, but $10 million to have an agency put in place to enforce something that is otherwise should just be a normal human right?
Jason Rigby (12:51):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (12:51):
It seems absurd.
Jason Rigby (12:53):
Yeah. No. that's what I was up to-
Alexander McCaig (12:55):
You don't have to force, or like arm bar Silicon Valley companies. Our big tech firms.
Jason Rigby (13:01):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (13:01):
To be humanitarian and have higher ethics. Those should just be there naturally.
Jason Rigby (13:06):
Well, I think Snowden showed it.
Alexander McCaig (13:07):
Yeah. Snowden showed it, and [inaudible 00:13:09]
Jason Rigby (13:08):
Why would we give the power to the government when they're the... They're the worst.
Alexander McCaig (13:11):
Why [inaudible 00:13:13].
Jason Rigby (13:12):
I know Google and Facebook want some info so they can market to you, but the government actually wants to...
Alexander McCaig (13:18):
Why allocate another $10 million to some other government agency?
Jason Rigby (13:21):
Yes. That's where I was [inaudible 00:13:22].
Alexander McCaig (13:22):
It frankly requires no... There's no use in doing something like that. It's a matter of the people being on the systems making a choice. You know people you vote with your dollar?
Jason Rigby (13:31):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (13:32):
Vote with your data. Join TARTLE.
Jason Rigby (13:33):
Yes, exactly. [crosstalk 00:13:34].
Alexander McCaig (13:34):
No. In all seriousness. Vote with your data. Stop giving it to them.
Jason Rigby (13:38):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (13:38):
Just right there. If there're contacts vote no. We're not doing it like that. There's no reason for Andrew Yang to come in, and run a $10 million agency. Right?
Jason Rigby (13:46):
Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (13:47):
And have him have full rein, and then start pressuring tech companies. Right? We're trying to do stuff.
Jason Rigby (13:53):
Well, he wants it to be a model and go into all States.
Alexander McCaig (13:54):
That's not [inaudible 00:13:56].
Jason Rigby (13:54):
Now we're going to start-
Alexander McCaig (13:54):
It's not a model.
Jason Rigby (13:58):
Now we're going to start state agencies. How soon will it be before we have a federal agency?
Alexander McCaig (14:01):
Well, that's... Yeah. That's not a model. That is government control over private industry.
Jason Rigby (14:07):
I like what the Electronic Frontier Foundation... I don't know anything about them but [inaudible 00:14:11]
Alexander McCaig (14:10):
Well, what are you talking about? We actually... We're major donors to them.
Jason Rigby (14:13):
Oh really?
Alexander McCaig (14:13):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (14:14):
Okay. Awesome.
Alexander McCaig (14:14):
We donate to EFF all the time. You know that beanie I wear that has those Fs?
Jason Rigby (14:16):
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (14:17):
Courtesy of them. [inaudible 00:14:17] to the EFF.
Jason Rigby (14:19):
Electronic Frontier Foundation has decided to stay neutral, calling the measure... This is what they said, "A mixed bag of partial steps backwards and forwards."
Alexander McCaig (14:28):
Yeah. It doesn't-
Jason Rigby (14:29):
A mix bag. Yeah.
Alexander McCaig (14:30):
It doesn't really make much sense. It's a burnt out... It's like he's a burnout.
Jason Rigby (14:40):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (14:41):
He's a burn out.
Jason Rigby (14:42):
Yeah. It's like-
Alexander McCaig (14:43):
I'm trying to figure how to say it nicely, but-
Jason Rigby (14:44):
No. No. It's like Steven Seagal doing his movies now.
Alexander McCaig (14:49):
Yeah.
Jason Rigby (14:49):
He's bigger, he can't really kick that high, he's doing the law enforcement stuff.
Alexander McCaig (14:56):
That was [inaudible 00:14:58].
Jason Rigby (14:57):
It's staged, and he's like, "Let me shoot son."
Alexander McCaig (15:02):
Listen. The end game intention makes sense-
Jason Rigby (15:05):
Right.
Alexander McCaig (15:06):
But the actions to get there, and setting up these government agencies that are naturally going to be inefficient doesn't make sense.
Jason Rigby (15:14):
The idea is great.
Alexander McCaig (15:15):
The idea is great but-
Jason Rigby (15:16):
Because we have a problem.
Alexander McCaig (15:17):
That's not a good way to do it.
Jason Rigby (15:17):
That's not the proper way to fix it.
Alexander McCaig (15:19):
If you want to fix it, join TARTLE.
Jason Rigby (15:21):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (15:22):
Take control of your data.
Jason Rigby (15:23):
Yeah. You don't need a proposition.
Alexander McCaig (15:25):
Yeah. We don't need a proposition. We don't need to champion the government to work for us. Work for yourself. It's your information.
Jason Rigby (15:30):
Yes.
Alexander McCaig (15:31):
You tell them what you want to do with it.
Jason Rigby (15:32):
Let the power go back to the people.
Alexander McCaig (15:35):
The people. That's exactly right.
Jason Rigby (15:37):
Awesome. I love it.
Alexander McCaig (15:37):
Cool deal. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thank you for listening to TARTLEcast, with your hosts Alexander McCaig and [crosstalk 00:15:52] Jason Rigby, where humanity [crosstalk 00:15:54] steps into the future, and source data defines the path. [crosstalk 00:16:09] What's your data worth?
Jason Rigby (16:10):
Okay. Then let me know-
