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June 19, 2021

The 8 Pillars of Peace Every Nation Should Adopt

The 8 Pillars of Peace Every Nation Should Adopt
BY: TARTLE

The Pillars of Peace

Last time we talked about the various costs of violence. We focused on the fact that the costs of violence if they were gathered together amount to one of the largest economies in the world, a full 10.5% of global GDP. That covers all the costs from wars, gangs, domestic abuse and all the rest of it. 

What if we could somehow reclaim all those trillions of dollars dealing with the material and mental costs of violence? If we weren’t having to build tanks or pay for psychologists to deal with the long term effects of PTSD? Well, the over $14 trillion dollars annually that would be reclaimed could greatly improve the lives of everyone. More money for research, for education, for treating people with other mental health issues, as well as redoing and improving national infrastructures. 

Naturally, all of that money isn’t going to go into one giant pot we could draw from to accomplish all of these lofty goals. Reality is a bit more piecemeal than that. The way it would actually work would be the government that isn’t learning how to build a bigger nuke is taking all that research to finally get fusion reactors off the ground and finally replace fossil fuels with a clean and stable alternative. It would be the family that no longer has to pay all the costs associated with the mental and physical problems that come with having the mother or father having been injured in a mass shooting. That person would be able to do more productive work, earning more for the family. In addition to not having to spend thousands on medical bills, there would be more money to pay for the kids’ education. That’s more how things would be likely to play out. 

Still, how do we get from here to there? The Institute for Economics and Peace (IEP) – the organization that put out the statistics we’ve been talking about – has also put out Eight Pillars of Global Peace to function as a rough outline. Let’s get into it. 

The first pillar is the need for a well-functioning government. That is defined as a government that provides high quality services and engenders trust in its citizens. Okay, that’s a bit of a high bar, yet the idea of a government that puts people above itself is definitely something we can get behind. 

Pillar two is all about a sound business environment. This is interesting because it’s very free market friendly and these kinds of lists often aren’t the most interested in private enterprise. Yet, competitiveness and prosperity are typically associated with lower levels of violence. Basically, if you have more stuff and you live in a more stable environment there is less reason for violence in general.

Number three advocates respecting everyone’s rights. This is harkening to the promise of multiculturalism, the idea that it is possible to live side by side with those who might disagree with you. This has turned out to be difficult in practice but is still a lofty goal. 

Pillar three is a great lead in to pillar four, peaceful relations with others. On a personal level, that means getting along with your neighbors and on a national scale that means getting along with nearby nations, or anyone you might be engaging with. Basically, don’t go making enemies. 

The fifth pillar, the free flow of information will be familiar to you if you’ve been with us for more than a couple of minutes. As you know, we are big fans of the idea that freely sharing data is fundamental to building a better world. It’s nice to see that the IEP agrees. 

Once again, pillar five takes you directly to number six which is an educated and skilled people. This is made significantly easier when you have a free flow of information.

Pillar seven – low corruption – is pretty obvious as well. When corruption is widespread, no one trusts the system and no one really participates in it. That leads to whatever is left of the system breaking down pretty quickly.  

Finally, pillar eight is an equitable access to resources. This doesn’t mean that people should all be paid the same, but everyone should have the opportunity to pursue the life they want. That’s a concept that is pretty familiar if you think of it, the pursuit of happiness is right in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence. 

This makes a pretty good outline largely because it is adaptable on the individual and global scale. And naturally, TARTLE is working to enable all of its scales by promoting that free flow of information that can make the rest possible. 

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The 8 Pillars of Peace Every Nation Should Adopt
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The 8 Pillars of Peace Every Nation Should Adopt
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Last time we talked about the various costs of violence. We focused on the fact that the costs of violence if they were gathered together amount to one of the largest economies in the world, a full 10.5% of global GDP. That covers all the costs from wars, gangs, domestic abuse and all the rest of it. 

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TRANSCRIPT

Automator (00:07):

Welcome to TARTLE Cast with your hosts Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby, where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the path.

Alexander McCaig (00:24):

Welcome back, everybody. We're pretty amped up to find out that the institutes for economics and peace, through their data, have come to generally the same conclusion that we have, for things that are required to uplift this world. They have them and they call them eight pillars.

Jason Rigby (00:42):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (00:43):

We brought them up previously in the episode when we were talking about the report on the cost of violence and what that data is showing. What we want to talk about now is how they see data in the future with these eight pillars.

Jason Rigby (00:56):

Yeah. First, let's recap real quick, unless somebody hasn't seen the other video. How much does violence cost the world, Alex?

Alexander McCaig (01:01):

$14.4 trillion.

Jason Rigby (01:04):

How much is $14.4 trillion, if somebody wanted to put it in...

Alexander McCaig (01:07):

If you're trying to put that into perspective, that's about 80% of everything that happens in the United States economy. So, violence-

Jason Rigby (01:16):

Think about that.

Alexander McCaig (01:16):

So, violence accounts for one of the largest economies in the globe. The economics of violence are that large. That's insane.

Jason Rigby (01:26):

So, if we wanted a global peace, which is number four of our big seven that we help...

Alexander McCaig (01:30):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (01:30):

And that you help with sharing your data.

Alexander McCaig (01:31):

With sharing your data and sharing your earnings...

Jason Rigby (01:33):

Global peace. What could we do with $14.4 trillion, do you think?

Alexander McCaig (01:39):

With $14.4 trillion, you could pay for everybody's education just about everywhere, for as long as need be. You could make it totally free. You could wipe out all college debt in a majority of countries, okay? You could improve the entire infrastructure system of roads being laid just in the United States alone, and many other places that are unpaved.

Alexander McCaig (02:03):

Imagine how much you could put towards science and research? Research and development, where scientists are begging for funds to do research. You could just be like, "Take as much as you want." All day long, paid, paid for, done, guaranteed, right from the government. Bang.

Alexander McCaig (02:16):

Why? Because, you stopped being violent. Think about that. Violence is such a big business, but when we talk about this data and its effect on an economic standpoint on people and their countries... Listen, just by being less violent, a little bit less violent, the amount of savings, so it's not taking $1,600 out of your pocket every single year, maybe it only takes 800 bucks out. You're not paying into violence, and you should be sharing your data to help other people that are activists, bringing light to it, like the IEP, to say, "Hey, we want to stop this. We've got to figure this out." Because, it's more than an economic cost.

Jason Rigby (02:56):

Yeah, and I loved it at the end, and this is something that I thought was beautiful. The pillars of positive peace. Positive peace is predicted, this is in their report. Positive peace predicted on eight key factors, are pillars that describe the workings of the social economic system. And I want us to go through each of these eight. Number one...

Alexander McCaig (03:13):

I'm glad they said social economic system, not economic social system. I'm glad they put people first.

Jason Rigby (03:19):

First, right.

Alexander McCaig (03:20):

IEP, first gold star. All right, go.

Jason Rigby (03:22):

Yeah. Well-functioning government, I'm going to read this and I'll let you talk about it, Alex.

Alexander McCaig (03:25):

What does well-functioning government mean?

Jason Rigby (03:27):

A well-functioning government delivers high quality public and civil services, engenders trust and participation, demonstrates political stability, and upholds rule of law.

Alexander McCaig (03:38):

Okay, so it's a utopian society that even Michael Malice would it be psyched about being a part of.

Jason Rigby (03:44):

Yes. Our little anarchist. He's funny, you guys should look him up.

Alexander McCaig (03:51):

Very intelligent.

Jason Rigby (03:52):

He's also a comedian too.

Alexander McCaig (03:53):

Very logical, but what's interesting about how they define that government. The government respects the rights of a human being.

Jason Rigby (03:58):

A high quality public and civil service.

Alexander McCaig (04:00):

They're there to uplift people's lives. Not to control, right? Not to ensue more violence-

Jason Rigby (04:07):

Extract.

Alexander McCaig (04:08):

Extract. Look at them strictly as a resource, it's actually trying to elevate them.

Jason Rigby (04:11):

Yes. Number two is sound business environment. The strength of economic conditions, as well as the formal institutions that support the operation of the private sector. Business competitiveness and economic productivity are both associated with the most peaceful countries.

Alexander McCaig (04:27):

Yeah, because what happens when people are working well, you got better widgets, better technology. People are making more money. You're enhancing your healthcare systems. People are happy.

Jason Rigby (04:38):

Yeah. I like this though. And this can be controversial. They said, "Formal institutions that support the operation of the private sector."

Alexander McCaig (04:46):

Formal institutions.

Jason Rigby (04:50):

The strength of governments as well as the formal institutions that support the operation of the private sector. So, here's what I'm thinking too, whenever you look at higher educational... When you look at maybe-

Alexander McCaig (05:03):

They're talking about that sort of institution saying, "Hey, private industry, have you considered looking at something like this?"

Jason Rigby (05:08):

Yeah, because I've never understood the divide. I know at MIT it's different, but there's more recruiting athletics than there is... And I think that's a displacement to what we view as important here, especially here in the United States.

Alexander McCaig (05:22):

Well, I'll be a point in case. I was recruited to go to college as a rower. And I was given full ride.

Jason Rigby (05:27):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (05:28):

Not because of my intelligence, if I have any.

Jason Rigby (05:32):

That's what I love about Russia. Their scientists are superstars.

Alexander McCaig (05:36):

That's cool.

Jason Rigby (05:37):

They elevate people. If you're a great engineer, great scientist. Like Elon Musk, everybody loves him over there, because he's a great engineer.

Alexander McCaig (05:45):

Athleticism is awesome, but it is not the end all be all of everything. If you look at just the data of people that make it into the NFL, but every kid thinks he's going to make it into the NFL.

Jason Rigby (06:00):

And then once you make it, the odds of you being in the NFL is like one or two years or something?

Alexander McCaig (06:03):

Right, and then the odds of injury go up through the roof too. Yeah. And the odds of you actually spending all your money is even higher.

Jason Rigby (06:08):

Yes, exactly. Yeah. There's a correlation. Number three, acceptance of the rights of others.

Alexander McCaig (06:14):

Okay.

Jason Rigby (06:16):

Peaceful countries often have formal laws that guarantee basic human rights and freedoms, and the informal social and cultural norms that relate to behaviors of incident. So, we have formal laws and then we had informal social and cultural norms.

Alexander McCaig (06:29):

Yeah, so we as a group, outside of what our government says, we are willing to accept other people, regardless. And if our government doubles down on the view that we have socially, to say that, "Hey, this is how we want to respect others and ourselves." You need to follow through with that, if you're a good government. Because that's what you're for. You're there to uplift the good values that we all have. It seems pretty obvious, right?

Jason Rigby (06:50):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (06:50):

Respecting someone seems pretty obvious.

Jason Rigby (06:52):

It seems obvious, but...

Alexander McCaig (06:54):

Not rapping on your neighbors or saying that they are the other, rather than they're with you.

Jason Rigby (06:59):

Which leads to the next one.

Alexander McCaig (07:00):

Which leads to the next-

Jason Rigby (07:01):

Rapping on your neighbors. Good relations with neighbors. And we're not talking about like your neighbors nextdoor, this is the-

Alexander McCaig (07:04):

Well, it could be the neighbor next door, and the one in the town over, and the country over.

Jason Rigby (07:09):

Yes. Peaceful relations with other countries are as important as good relations between groups within a country. Countries with positive external relations are more peaceful, and tend to be more politically stable, have better functioning governments, are regionally integrated, and have lower levels of organized internal conflict.

Alexander McCaig (07:28):

Okay, so-

Jason Rigby (07:28):

Imagine that?

Alexander McCaig (07:29):

If you're less violent, if you're less racist, if you're less aggressive...

Jason Rigby (07:36):

Dogmatic.

Alexander McCaig (07:37):

Less dogmatic, you're going to have a more stable government and living status?

Jason Rigby (07:44):

No, no, no, no, no, no, Alex, Alex, Alex. But if we have a great religion...

Alexander McCaig (07:48):

No, no, no, no, no.

Jason Rigby (07:50):

What happened with people that have a really strong religion?

Alexander McCaig (07:53):

What if your religion's super strong and you think your neighbor's religion is super weak?

Jason Rigby (07:58):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (07:58):

Do we not remember the crusades?

Jason Rigby (08:00):

War, conflict.

Alexander McCaig (08:01):

Yeah. War, conflict. Yeah. Okay, great. So, if I get rid of all those things that are dogmatic...

Jason Rigby (08:07):

Yes, that's what I was saying.

Alexander McCaig (08:08):

That are not unifying.

Jason Rigby (08:09):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (08:10):

If I start to look at data and things that actually bring us together, which is saying, if I am a good person, it stabilizes my government and my economy and my life? Why wouldn't I want to do that? What happens if you're not my enemy? I want to share stories with you.

Jason Rigby (08:28):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (08:28):

I want to learn from you. But no learning is done through violence. No learning is made through calling someone the other.

Jason Rigby (08:35):

Yeah. I love, and I always go-

Alexander McCaig (08:36):

The flow of data stops. Sorry to shut you off, but the flow of data stops when we begin to be violent.

Jason Rigby (08:41):

Yeah, I love the story of, and you know it too, the trenches and it was Christmas time?

Alexander McCaig (08:47):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Jason Rigby (08:47):

And the two sides got together, even though it was just for a brief day because it was Christmas, but they played-

Alexander McCaig (08:54):

There's only so much-

Jason Rigby (08:54):

They were fighting and killing each other, and then they're like, "Screw it. It's Christmas, let's have fun." But they learned that each person was a human.

Alexander McCaig (09:02):

You have only [crosstalk 00:09:03]-

Jason Rigby (09:02):

"Oh, you can play soccer? I can play soccer. Let's play soccer together."

Alexander McCaig (09:05):

Yeah, for a brief moment, to the [inaudible 00:09:07] and the [inaudible 00:09:07] got loaded back up.

Jason Rigby (09:08):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (09:09):

You know what I mean?

Jason Rigby (09:10):

Oh yeah, yeah.

Alexander McCaig (09:11):

"Hey Jim. What did you do with the nerve gas?"

Jason Rigby (09:13):

But I'm just saying...

Alexander McCaig (09:15):

Late Christmas gift.

Jason Rigby (09:16):

When you look at that country that's next to you...

Alexander McCaig (09:18):

Yes.

Jason Rigby (09:18):

They're full of human being.

Alexander McCaig (09:20):

I know. It's amazing how... Facial recognition, we talked about this. We don't like it if someone is putting us into a bucket, right?

Jason Rigby (09:34):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (09:35):

So why should I then put somebody else in a bucket? It's not even facial recognition or data? It's just my perspective on the other human being. It's just me calling them the other, but I'm going to stand here like a hypocrite and say, "I don't facial recognition in New York City, but I don't like that guy because of the way he looks, regardless of facial recognition." Well, you're a hypocrite. Do you see what I'm saying?

Jason Rigby (09:57):

Yeah. No, yeah. You're 100% right. It'd be the same, it's even as class. If you were upper middle class, right?

Alexander McCaig (10:06):

I'm not.

Jason Rigby (10:07):

But, if you were upper middle class, no matter where you go, everybody said that you were poor.

Alexander McCaig (10:13):

Don't put me in that bucket.

Jason Rigby (10:14):

Yeah. See, people would get pissed. They'd be like, "No, no, no. I make 200,000 a year, 250,000 a year. I'm upper middle class. I can afford..."

Jason Rigby (10:22):

"No, no, no. You're poor."

Jason Rigby (10:24):

People would get so pissed off about that.

Alexander McCaig (10:26):

All the time.

Jason Rigby (10:28):

That's the labeling of the bucket.

Alexander McCaig (10:28):

Stop defining me to something that I'm not.

Jason Rigby (10:32):

I don't even like a hardcore nationalism either.

Alexander McCaig (10:35):

No. What if I look at you and be like, "Jason, you're a human being."

Alexander McCaig (10:39):

"I'm sorry, what?"

Jason Rigby (10:40):

It's like-

Alexander McCaig (10:41):

Does that sound bad? You're a human being. Okay, you're a human being. It is the most neutral thing in the world because it is the base of all. There's no bucket there. You're human being. That's it.

Jason Rigby (10:52):

I want to speak to this really quick because I was talking with someone last night in the Philippines, that's a virtual assistant. And they were talking about Americans.

Alexander McCaig (10:59):

Okay, this is good.

Jason Rigby (11:01):

This is this point right here, being good neighbor.

Alexander McCaig (11:04):

Bring it home.

Jason Rigby (11:04):

And I want you to speak to this-

Alexander McCaig (11:05):

Bring it home Boy, come on, bring it home. Tell me. Then we're going to talk about bring it home. Bring it back from the Philippines to the U S. Tell me Boy, right now.

Jason Rigby (11:12):

So now we have outsourcing that's happening. And now, with the pandemic, we have people working from home. So companies are like, "Huh. If we can have you working from home in Cincinnati, why can't we have you working from home in the Philippines? Oh, people from the Philippines speak great English. Super loyal, nice people. Let's hire more of them."

Jason Rigby (11:29):

Here's what's happening though. Here's what she said. She goes, "I will get a client on the phone and they will say things like this to me..." She speaks better English than I do.

Alexander McCaig (11:40):

I actually don't doubt that.

Jason Rigby (11:44):

You don't doubt that. Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (11:47):

Sylvester Stallone over there. Adrian.

Jason Rigby (11:48):

She goes, "People will start off like this. So, do you guys, or do you people..." Right off the bat, the Americans are starting off that way towards her. And there'll be like... She had this woman that said this.

Jason Rigby (12:03):

"Now, I want to make sure I understand..." And she's talking really slow. "I want to make sure I understand exactly what you can do for my company. We do things differently here than I imagine you do in your country."

Alexander McCaig (12:20):

I bet you do. Susan and your company.

Jason Rigby (12:25):

Karen.

Alexander McCaig (12:25):

Karen. Listen, if we look at it and they had that conversation of, that's amazing that you live halfway across the globe, let's work together on the same thing. You got your culture and everything, but business is business, but why do we have to apply and say, you're the other? There's no difference. [Elise 00:12:51] speaks better English than you. So you're going to call her the other? No, she's a human being. She's a human being. She's here to help.

Jason Rigby (12:57):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (12:57):

You know what my favorite thing is, if someone doesn't understand something, they say it louder.

Jason Rigby (13:01):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (13:02):

If I didn't understand it the first time, do not get louder. You know what I mean?

Jason Rigby (13:06):

I don't like the greater than the less than symbol.

Alexander McCaig (13:08):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (13:09):

That less than symbol with a stick figure next to it.

Alexander McCaig (13:12):

Eating it.

Jason Rigby (13:13):

It should be an equal symbol. But that's the view. That's that view that these people have of talking to somebody from a different country.

Alexander McCaig (13:21):

Here's what's hysterical.

Jason Rigby (13:22):

I'm an American, so I'm great. You actually, with more privilege, you have more responsibility.

Alexander McCaig (13:29):

Yeah. Listen, if you have access to a bunch of resources and someone currently doesn't have it, you better be responsible with it.

Jason Rigby (13:35):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (13:36):

Because you're abusing it for yourself and their lives, because they didn't have any choice in the matter. Is that not a logical train of thought for how that works?

Jason Rigby (13:47):

That's true.

Alexander McCaig (13:48):

What is a border? The government defined a line. If you think about it, what difference does-

Jason Rigby (13:53):

1776 or 1812.

Alexander McCaig (13:54):

Yeah. What difference does it mean if it's India or another place? I mean, nobody owns anything. Borders aren't really real if you think about it. It's just some idea that we have. So how is it to say that they're a different person because they're somewhere else?

Jason Rigby (14:05):

And there's a colored flag.

Alexander McCaig (14:07):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (14:07):

A cloth.

Alexander McCaig (14:09):

Yeah. We got fabric flying in the wind. This is who we are. Yeah.

Jason Rigby (14:12):

It's crazy. Let's move on.

Alexander McCaig (14:13):

I don't want to move on.

Jason Rigby (14:14):

I know. Free flow of information.

Alexander McCaig (14:18):

Oh goodness gracious [crosstalk 00:14:21].

Jason Rigby (14:20):

You're going to love this.

Alexander McCaig (14:21):

Please.

Jason Rigby (14:22):

Free and independent media disseminates information in a way that leads to greater knowledge and helps individuals.

Alexander McCaig (14:29):

Greater knowledge. So when you open up the fungibility for sharing and truthful sharing, think about how much people thrive.

Jason Rigby (14:38):

They said this. "Businesses and civil society makes better decisions. This leads to better outcomes and more rational responses in time of crisis."

Alexander McCaig (14:47):

You're telling me that TARTLE has a direct connection to a decrease in violence, if truthful information is being shared.

Jason Rigby (14:54):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (14:54):

So we can make the right decisions. You're telling me there's economic stabilization through the sharing of truthful data? Wow. That's incredible. And imagine if you open up truthful sharing, not in a country, but to the entire globe, imagine what that sort of decision-making looks like on a macro level.

Jason Rigby (15:15):

Imagine, even here in the United States, if we had free and independent media.

Alexander McCaig (15:19):

Oh my God.

Jason Rigby (15:19):

That's their words. We don't have free and independent media. We get mad at the Chinese communist party and think, they're censoring, they're censoring. We have like one company that owns all our...

Alexander McCaig (15:29):

News Corp. Ever heard of it? Yeah. That's it.

Jason Rigby (15:33):

And then they're just pandering and marketing to the left or the right.

Alexander McCaig (15:36):

Yeah. Whatever pays the bills.

Jason Rigby (15:37):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (15:38):

Oh, by the way, here's an ad.

Jason Rigby (15:39):

Yeah, exactly. Oh, you're left. Watch us.

Alexander McCaig (15:42):

The flow of data.

Jason Rigby (15:43):

And, by the way...

Alexander McCaig (15:47):

Listen dude, the flow of data is fundamental to everything. Frankly, I get that they didn't put it as pillar number one, because they're talking about just the human rights.

Jason Rigby (15:55):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (15:56):

But our thoughts, our decisions are driven on data. The ability for us to actually act and do something requires an input. And if we can share more of those inputs back and forth to one another, we can become better decision makers.

Jason Rigby (16:10):

Yeah. I looked at it as an inverse pyramid with the free flow of information as being the base.

Alexander McCaig (16:14):

Inverse pyramid.

Jason Rigby (16:15):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (16:16):

It only has a greater effect as it continues to rise.

Jason Rigby (16:18):

Exactly, yeah.

Alexander McCaig (16:19):

Rather than comes to one focal point.

Jason Rigby (16:20):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (16:21):

And that's it. It's like, no, it just spreads and spreads in positivity and growth.

Jason Rigby (16:24):

Yes, exactly. Because it can... Well, we won't get into that.

Jason Rigby (16:29):

High levels of human capital. A skilled human capital base reflects the extent to which societies educate citizens and promote the development of knowledge.

Alexander McCaig (16:39):

Okay. How do you educate more people? You got to give them access to it, right?

Jason Rigby (16:41):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (16:42):

What's that one? Oh, number two. Educational access. Very interesting. So when you educate people with real good data, it gives them knowledge and then they can act upon that, and then they can become a wise group of people that sits in a specific nation or locale.

Jason Rigby (16:57):

Yeah. They said, thereby improving economic productivity. There we go.

Alexander McCaig (17:00):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (17:00):

Care for the young, that's for schooling.

Alexander McCaig (17:02):

Well, yeah.

Jason Rigby (17:03):

Political participation in social capital.

Alexander McCaig (17:05):

If people are educated more, they're going to want to vote, right?

Jason Rigby (17:07):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (17:08):

Rather than being swayed by the media. They're like, "No, I'm not going to be swayed by that. I know the facts." It's great when you give people the power to know the facts and you give them a medium to do so. T-A-R-T-L-E.co, I don't know if you've heard of that media.

Jason Rigby (17:22):

Tartle.co.

Alexander McCaig (17:23):

Yeah. Interesting. That's interesting. What is that? I don't know. I have no clue. What's the next pillar?

Jason Rigby (17:26):

I want to ask you this question.

Alexander McCaig (17:32):

Yeah, go ahead, ask me.

Jason Rigby (17:32):

We're going to go off the rails here.

Alexander McCaig (17:32):

Freaking off the rails. I feel off the rails.

Jason Rigby (17:33):

Here we go. How many political parties do you think would be good for the United States to have? Because, basically we have two. We can have libertarians there a little bit.

Alexander McCaig (17:43):

Why'd you ask me this. This is not good.

Jason Rigby (17:44):

I think this is a good... Because, I would say at least eight or 10. Like, you know they have the communist party, Marxists, they have anarchist party, they have the libertarian party. What if people equally had an equal platform and all eight or 10 of those people were doing debates. And if people really got interested in it and listened, what new information would they learn from disagreeing with all of the different ones?

Alexander McCaig (18:15):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (18:16):

You know what I mean? I would imagine, if you were talking to a libertarian, let's say for instance, and they started talking about free market. Well, that would probably make sense to most people. It would be like, oh, okay.

Alexander McCaig (18:30):

So, I want a free market, but I also like the aspect of everybody getting access to healthcare.

Jason Rigby (18:35):

Yes, exactly.

Alexander McCaig (18:36):

What does that make me, a libertarian or a socialist?

Jason Rigby (18:38):

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, I'm not in a box.

Alexander McCaig (18:42):

[crosstalk 00:18:42] libertarian.

Jason Rigby (18:43):

Oh, I'm not in a box, because I can agree with this guy. This guy is way out, but I am agreeing on...

Alexander McCaig (18:49):

When you asked me how many parties is the right amount of parties. None.

Jason Rigby (18:53):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (18:54):

That's just me. That's my final answer.

Jason Rigby (18:55):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (18:55):

It's none.

Jason Rigby (18:56):

None.

Alexander McCaig (18:58):

I'm not an anarchist, I'm just not political.

Jason Rigby (19:01):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (19:01):

I had it all.

Jason Rigby (19:02):

In the scheme of things, it doesn't.

Alexander McCaig (19:04):

Is there a political party for human life?

Jason Rigby (19:06):

Yeah. That's what we're all in.

Alexander McCaig (19:08):

I'm all in on human-

Jason Rigby (19:09):

The political party that addresses the big seven.

Alexander McCaig (19:10):

Yeah. Is there a political party on evolution? I don't know.

Jason Rigby (19:15):

Speaking of political parties and participation, the next one, low levels of corruption.

Alexander McCaig (19:20):

No way. So when something's not corrupt, people want to be a part of that, right?

Alexander McCaig (19:24):

You know when you go to a casino, you know that the odds are against you.

Jason Rigby (19:29):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (19:30):

But you're going to participate in it.

Jason Rigby (19:32):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (19:32):

But what if there's a guy on the street and you place bets and they're like, "Watch the ball, watch the cup." But the system's totally gamed. Like you're going to a carnival, don't participate in it. It's a corrupt system regardless. Don't pay money into it.

Jason Rigby (19:46):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Alexander McCaig (19:46):

So when you reduce corruption, people are like, "No, I want to be involved."

Jason Rigby (19:52):

Well, if you think about it. Let's say they have odds makers and all that stuff, they're doing all that for a reason. To protect the bank.

Alexander McCaig (20:01):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (20:02):

Them as the bank, because they have to win in the end to pay for the big artwork and the big hotels and stuff like that.

Alexander McCaig (20:08):

Who's the odds maker around violence? Insurance companies.

Jason Rigby (20:09):

So that's a corrupt system. That casino has a corrupt system. I mean, we volunteered to be a part of it.

Alexander McCaig (20:15):

It's not a system of balance.

Jason Rigby (20:16):

Yeah. It's not...

Alexander McCaig (20:16):

We choose to be in that imbalance.

Jason Rigby (20:19):

So if you think of it that way, this is a great example. If you think of it that way, and then you think of a corrupt government, it's the same.

Alexander McCaig (20:25):

Why is it any different.

Jason Rigby (20:26):

It's the same system. Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (20:29):

It's not gamed for the equilibrium of everyone.

Jason Rigby (20:32):

Because in societies with high levels of corruption, the article says, "Resources are inefficiently allocated, often leading to a lack of funding for central services and civil unrest."

Alexander McCaig (20:41):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (20:42):

Low corruption can enhance confidence and trust in institutions.

Alexander McCaig (20:45):

What is the key factor in all these eight pillars? You know this answer.

Jason Rigby (20:50):

Unity?

Alexander McCaig (20:51):

Yeah. Who's being unified?

Jason Rigby (20:54):

The people would be unified.

Alexander McCaig (20:55):

Thank you. The underlying factor of everything is people.

Jason Rigby (20:59):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (20:59):

Regardless. Before the economics, before anything else, it's people. So how do you figure that out? You have to work with people. You have to work with each other. That's the underlying factor.

Jason Rigby (21:08):

No, but we want to segment people, create buckets and then profit off of it.

Alexander McCaig (21:11):

That's not working with people.

Jason Rigby (21:12):

No.

Alexander McCaig (21:12):

That's not solving our problems. That exacerbates an issue. The data shows that the primary source of all of these things are people.

Jason Rigby (21:21):

The last one, are you ready? Speaking of people.

Alexander McCaig (21:24):

No. I'm so freaking fired, I'm going to throw this laptop.

Jason Rigby (21:27):

Equitable distribution of resources.

Alexander McCaig (21:31):

This is why the Philippines does a better job than you. Yeah.

Jason Rigby (21:34):

Peaceful countries tend to ensure equity and access to resources, such as education, health, and to a lesser extent, equity and income distribution.

Alexander McCaig (21:42):

Okay.

Jason Rigby (21:43):

Equitable distribution.

Alexander McCaig (21:45):

Number seven for us is economic equalization.

Jason Rigby (21:47):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (21:47):

Again, we're not saying that everybody should be paid the same.

Jason Rigby (21:49):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (21:50):

Why? Some people are lazy.

Jason Rigby (21:51):

Yeah.

Alexander McCaig (21:52):

They don't do anything. They take no responsibility. They don't take responsibility for themselves or the planet or anything else. I'm going to give you the same amount of money. That's nonsense. But, if you talk about access to resources, access for that person to then go make the choice to be responsible, that's a different game.

Jason Rigby (22:07):

Yes, that's a different game.

Alexander McCaig (22:08):

That's an equalization of economics. So it's like, here are the material resources. Everybody has equal access to it, but you have to work. You have to work for that stuff. It's not going to be a system where, work as hard as you can and you'll never have access to it.

Jason Rigby (22:23):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (22:24):

It's like, everybody has access to credit.

Jason Rigby (22:26):

Yeah, I've never understood community colleges and trade schools, why those aren't free. If you want to be a plumber...

Alexander McCaig (22:32):

Why can't I just be a plumber?

Jason Rigby (22:33):

Why can't I just go to school and be a plumber?

Alexander McCaig (22:35):

Dude, why do I have to ask the state for a license, if I want to cut hair?

Jason Rigby (22:42):

I know. Think about that. Or give you a massage.

Alexander McCaig (22:47):

I have asked someone to put their hands on me. I'm paying them to do it, but they need a license to do so.

Jason Rigby (22:55):

Let me tell you this, how much... I just interviewed somebody on my other podcast. In New Mexico, how much do you think a cannabis license to grow costs?

Alexander McCaig (23:02):

Dude, what, 250 grand? No way, 500? No, no way.

Jason Rigby (23:08):

A license. So you're giving that money to the government just to get a license. Is that paper worth that much?

Alexander McCaig (23:15):

No. Why do you think people grow it illegally then?

Jason Rigby (23:18):

Exactly.

Alexander McCaig (23:20):

If it's such a problem, you thought you were fixing it.

Jason Rigby (23:22):

It's a corrupt system.

Alexander McCaig (23:23):

We can tax it.

Jason Rigby (23:24):

It's the same with our... All the licenses here, the alcohol, it's the same thing.

Alexander McCaig (23:30):

You know why all this stuff's ass backwards? Because no-one's looked at the data. They're just working on hunches.

Jason Rigby (23:35):

For themselves.

Alexander McCaig (23:36):

For themselves.

Jason Rigby (23:37):

And creating a monopoly, so they can make all the money. That's corruption.

Jason Rigby (23:42):

But these pillars of positive peace, Alex. Awesome. There are eight key factors. We love this report. We thank you guys.

Alexander McCaig (23:50):

Shout out to IEP.

Jason Rigby (23:51):

Yeah. We'd love to have somebody from the IEP on the podcast.

Alexander McCaig (23:54):

Come on out.

Jason Rigby (23:54):

That'd be awesome. We'll reach out to you. We're going to be doing more of that here really soon, having more interviews and stuff.

Alexander McCaig (24:00):

Yeah, we'll bring some extra [crosstalk 00:24:02] us idiots on the mic all the time.

Jason Rigby (24:04):

Yeah. I think it would be awesome. We have the new setup with the studios so that we're able to do that. We can put them on the screen.

Alexander McCaig (24:10):

Yeah, you actually see the person as we're talking to them. It's pretty cool.

Jason Rigby (24:12):

Yeah. And then we'll be sitting here, I guess like this.

Alexander McCaig (24:16):

No, no. We'll live with the thing right here. It'll be mirrored up there.

Jason Rigby (24:21):

Alex is like, "Hey Jason, you can turn around." I'm like, "Oh yeah."

Alexander McCaig (24:25):

Oh yeah. Hey, you're talking to him up here and the guy's like, "Why is your head turned to me?"

Jason Rigby (24:31):

It's so awesome. We're out.

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