The internet has become a massive, all-encompassing place for people from all walks of life to gather and share everything they’re passionate about. It can be a place to bond over hobbies like books, movies, music, and TV series. It could also be a tool for earning money. Stocks, cryptocurrency, forex, and other investment options have become more accessible to the people on the ground in this exciting new digital age.
That’s why it’s no surprise to us, as Jason mentions, that creativity will soon run on the blockchain. The rise of non-fungible tokens (NFTs) has allowed content creators and artists to publicize their work and create an unbreakable chain of ownership of their output.
Imagine we ask you for your phone and you give it to us. If you need to call, text, or access the internet, we’ll do it for you—all you need to do is tell us. We’ll type in your passwords, messages, and personal information. We’ll be your conduit to the internet.
Sounds uncomfortable, right? But that’s what you’re letting big tech get away with today.
With TARTLE, we turn that around. You get your phone back. We leave the room and give you the key to the door. That way, you can lock it from the inside whenever you want some time alone. We’ll knock to let you know if we’re coming in and if we do, we’ll give you the space and dignity you need as a fellow human being. Your rights are respected in our community.
According to Alexander, one of the most beneficial AI algorithms for a human being is one where people are allowed to say this: I made these choices. This is my outcome. And this outcome was not good for me.
This gives us the power to analyze the course of our life, instead of just following where outside forces take us. On a wider scale, we could apply this concept of a digital ledger to government policy and trace the outcomes of its implementation.
Alexander adds that humanity is bad at remembering. If we aren’t careful, we end up rehashing and slowing down our evolution. It’s time we endorse tools that help us pay attention, recognize patterns, and grow.
Sign up for TARTLE through this link here.
Alexander McCaig (00:00):
All right. So we just watched that address of Ted Cruz to the Senate on cryptocurrency.
Jason Rigby (00:17):
Alexander McCaig (00:18):
I'm not ... Listen. I don't ...
Jason Rigby (00:20):
Politically I may disagree with him.
Alexander McCaig (00:22):
Yeah. But man, would this-
Jason Rigby (00:23):
On social issues.
Alexander McCaig (00:24):
Yeah. What he said about this, he's on it.
Jason Rigby (00:27):
He's on it. Yeah. People need to go watch it.
Alexander McCaig (00:28):
He gets it.
Jason Rigby (00:28):
Yeah. He understands blockchain, crypto, all that. And Texas is going to be the wave of the future because they're all, "Come in. We want you industry. We want ... All tech, don't go to Silicon Valley. Come here."
Alexander McCaig (00:41):
Yeah. Why go to Silicon Valley?
Jason Rigby (00:42):
Silicon Valley's going to be like a graveyard for big tech.
Alexander McCaig (00:46):
You know, reminds me of like ... Nah, nevermind.
Jason Rigby (00:50):
Well, Elon Musk move.
Alexander McCaig (00:51):
I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. This is not. It's not right. So.
Jason Rigby (00:57):
It's just the TARTLE family, bro. It's not going to ...
Alexander McCaig (00:58):
Yeah. It's not going anywhere.
Jason Rigby (00:59):
The words won't go anywhere.
Alexander McCaig (01:01):
It's not going anywhere-
Jason Rigby (01:01):
It's just a podcast [inaudible 00:01:03]
Alexander McCaig (01:05):
... all over the world. Yeah. It won't go anywhere except everywhere. So we're going to bring up NFTs and crypto.
Jason Rigby (01:11):
Yeah. This is the latest thing.
Alexander McCaig (01:12):
Everybody's talking about. Buzzword. It's buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz.
Jason Rigby (01:14):
Alexander McCaig (01:15):
Jason Rigby (01:15):
I always want to say that.
Alexander McCaig (01:15):
Jason Rigby (01:20):
Alexander McCaig (01:20):
Jason Rigby (01:21):
Yeah, non fungus tokens.
Alexander McCaig (01:28):
Non fungible tokens.
Jason Rigby (01:30):
Yeah. So something just happened here recently.
Alexander McCaig (01:33):
Jason Rigby (01:35):
You can go online and look at Glassdoor and all these places, Monster for jobs. And you can look on there. And Walmart and Amazon is asking for crypto experts to work for them.
Alexander McCaig (01:49):
Jason Rigby (01:49):
Why is Walmart and Amazon wanting crypto people?
Alexander McCaig (01:54):
Because Walmart and Amazon know that's a whole new revenue, a revenue stream that they can adopt. That's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, will you pay me in gold bars instead of US dollar? That's what it is.
Jason Rigby (02:07):
Alexander McCaig (02:08):
They understand these hedges against inflation. And they're like, "Shoot, we need to add this."
Jason Rigby (02:13):
"We should have done this. What if we'd done this a while back?" They've ran the models.
Alexander McCaig (02:16):
Yeah. They ran the models.
Jason Rigby (02:17):
"What if we took Bitcoin five years ago, how much money would we have had?"
Alexander McCaig (02:21):
If the biggest whales, the largest, slowest moving animals.
Jason Rigby (02:25):
Alexander McCaig (02:26):
In the global financial ecosystem are turning to go feed on the krill, the NFTs and the Bitcoin and the crypto.
Jason Rigby (02:34):
Alexander McCaig (02:35):
Pay attention ladies and gentlemen.
Jason Rigby (02:36):
Pay attention. And we just saw ...
Alexander McCaig (02:39):
Jason Rigby (02:40):
Senate and Congress.
Alexander McCaig (02:41):
Jason Rigby (02:42):
Sneaking and trying to, and he talked about it trying to sneak in regulation in the infrastructure bill.
Alexander McCaig (02:46):
Yeah. They were trying to empower the treasury to regulate something they otherwise don't know. And they did it through the infrastructure bill to fix roads.
Jason Rigby (02:54):
Well, you know what? Elon got involved. Jack from, not with Twitter anymore. I know he is with Square.
Alexander McCaig (03:01):
Jason Rigby (03:01):
Jack Dorsey, which is a huge, the crypto community roared back at them. And they were like, "Oh shit." So they pulled that out. But what I want people to understand is and to get into this, the loudest constituency makes politicians pay attention.
Alexander McCaig (03:21):
Yeah. Because politicians are old bags of wind and ...
Jason Rigby (03:26):
With nice suits.
Alexander McCaig (03:27):
Moderately geriatric and hearing aids. So you have to scream at them.
Jason Rigby (03:32):
Alexander McCaig (03:33):
Otherwise, they can't hear you. And in the limited perspective of what they see and understand, they are trying ... They have to hear the voice of the people. And if that's not heard, then they'll just take whatever person walks in the room as a so-called expert and be like, "Oh, okay. They must be right."
Jason Rigby (03:52):
But when we get to NFTs and we get to all this, what I think we need to understand is creativity will be on the blockchain.
Alexander McCaig (04:00):
Oh, it ...
Jason Rigby (04:01):
It is. But I mean, it's going to be even more when we get to DeFi and everything else that's going on.
Alexander McCaig (04:06):
Yeah. Like people are selling digital art.
Jason Rigby (04:09):
Alexander McCaig (04:10):
If somebody does something on the Adobe system and they want to say, "It's mine. So all these other copies people are making, it's not the OG file."
Jason Rigby (04:18):
Well, I mean, if I want to have an art gallery in this room, and I want to charge a token for you to see my art gallery ...
Alexander McCaig (04:24):
I can do that.
Jason Rigby (04:25):
I can do that. And then you wear a pair of glasses or whatever, and you can walk in here and you can see my ... Virtually, you can walk in here. You can walk in here physically, put the glasses on.
Alexander McCaig (04:32):
No, no, fuck it. Sit at your house, throw in an Oculus. And then I want you to look at my art gallery.
Jason Rigby (04:36):
Alexander McCaig (04:37):
I don't want you to ... Don't even come to my place.
Jason Rigby (04:39):
Alexander McCaig (04:39):
You can sit at home and start browsing stuff.
Jason Rigby (04:41):
And what I really like about blockchain and people need to understand this, Rob Powell talked about this. Blockchain will allow it to be free. And if it shouldn't be free, it won't be free.
Alexander McCaig (04:55):
Yeah. It actually, it's a ...
Jason Rigby (04:55):
Think about this.
Alexander McCaig (04:55):
It's like a muster test.
Jason Rigby (04:55):
Alexander McCaig (04:57):
It's a muster test.
Jason Rigby (04:58):
Alexander McCaig (05:00):
If people don't want to allow this ledger that comes into place to show real providence of items, it tells you shouldn't be operating in that system because it is a red flag that it is abusing your free will, good nature, and it's robbing you of economic prosperity. It does not value you that system. So if they do not want to adopt essentially this ledger that everyone writes to that's globally accessible, avoid it.
Jason Rigby (05:26):
Yeah. Remember the burning music on CDs and stuff.
Alexander McCaig (05:30):
Jason Rigby (05:30):
And MP3s. And they had Napster and all that stuff. And you would just take it and burn it on there. There's no possibility to do that with blockchain.
Alexander McCaig (05:38):
Jason Rigby (05:39):
Not with music.
Alexander McCaig (05:40):
Jason Rigby (05:41):
Alexander McCaig (05:41):
Jason Rigby (05:42):
Alexander McCaig (05:43):
Every song will be its own NFT, everything.
Jason Rigby (05:45):
So we see growth, especially when we look at ... Let's use Bitcoin, for example, or TARTLE, either one.
Alexander McCaig (05:53):
Oh, good. A better example.
Jason Rigby (05:55):
Yeah, if you look at how fast the internet grew.
Alexander McCaig (06:01):
Like a virus.
Jason Rigby (06:02):
Yeah. It's a virus. But Bitcoin, for instance, let's use that one is growing 113% more than the internet grew.
Alexander McCaig (06:08):
Right. So it was released in ...
Jason Rigby (06:11):
Alexander McCaig (06:11):
O as in eight?
Jason Rigby (06:12):
Alexander McCaig (06:12):
Yeah. The paper came out, but the internet ... Well, let's talk about this reasonably, this statistic. First of all, how long did it take for people to get devices to get on the internet?
Jason Rigby (06:25):
Alexander McCaig (06:26):
So the internet in terms of its growth was limited by the amount of connected devices that came on. So obviously it's going to take a bit. But-
Jason Rigby (06:32):
Yeah. There's limitations with Bitcoin. I mean, that's confusing. I mean you can go to Coinbase or something like that and own, or Robinhood and own Bitcoin now. They've made it simpler that way. But if you want to actually have it in a physical ... I mean a digital wallet and you physically own it, that's a process. It's not simple.
Alexander McCaig (06:48):
And if we statistically, if we like just put the ratio getter to make it apples to apples in terms of its growth, it has been adopted so fast.
Jason Rigby (06:55):
But when you look at TARTLE, here's the difference. It's not confusing at all.
Alexander McCaig (07:00):
Jason Rigby (07:00):
It's very, very simple.
Alexander McCaig (07:01):
It's very straightforward.
Jason Rigby (07:02):
And it's for everyone just as Bitcoin is for everyone.
Alexander McCaig (07:06):
Jason Rigby (07:06):
So it's TARTLE for everyone. It's based off of your work, which we've talked about that in previous episodes. But it's all of humanity.
Alexander McCaig (07:12):
Jason Rigby (07:13):
Jason Rigby (07:15):
If you have an internet connection or you can go to a cafe and get an internet connection with your low powered small screen phone.
Alexander McCaig (07:22):
Or if you're in Africa and you want to pay 10 cents to go into a shipping container with a couple computers to use it to get on Facebook, you can also be on TARTLE. So you don't have to have resources ahead of time to be a part of it. You use this thing freely available to generate resources.
Jason Rigby (07:39):
And I think what's so unique about TARTLE is it goes from a store of value to a utility.
Alexander McCaig (07:46):
That's cool. Well, yeah, because the utility of it, it will be the utility for sharing. It will be the utility for data defense. That's cool. That sounds cool.
Jason Rigby (07:55):
Alexander McCaig (07:57):
You know? It'll be the utility for people's digital identities.
Jason Rigby (08:02):
Yeah. And let's take, let's use-
Alexander McCaig (08:04):
You can't have a digital identity without TARTLE.
Jason Rigby (08:04):
Okay. So we're talking about NFTs and crypto, so let's get fun. So we talk about Bitcoin.
Alexander McCaig (08:10):
Jason Rigby (08:10):
Probably the premium top crypto. Let's talk about the shitcoin Doshi.
Alexander McCaig (08:16):
Jason Rigby (08:17):
There's no use case on Doshi. It has a massive user base. They're building applications now on it. But because of Metcalfe's law, we have a massive user base. We have adoption. So now, now they decide to build applications. And now what do we have according to Metcalfe's law? We have a network.
Alexander McCaig (08:36):
Yeah. That's what it is.
Jason Rigby (08:36):
We have a network now. And it's worth billions and billions of dollars.
Alexander McCaig (08:40):
Only because a bunch of people choose to be a part of it.
Jason Rigby (08:42):
And that's the thing that we have to understand. And we're going to talk about this in another episode, but all money is money's a facade really. It's just on agreement, social agreement. It's not real. We have a piece of paper with dead presidents on it.
Alexander McCaig (08:57):
Give me your phone. You want it back? Do you want it back?
Jason Rigby (09:02):
Yeah. Eventually. Yeah, of course.
Alexander McCaig (09:03):
Okay. For how much though?
Jason Rigby (09:05):
Alexander McCaig (09:06):
You are going to agree upon what that value is to you for the phone. And if you and I match on that, we've just created the beginning of Metcalfe's law. Two nodes coming together in communication and agreement for the transfer of something of value.
Jason Rigby (09:20):
But this is how big tech has worked. They just, you take my phone and then ask for it back.
Alexander McCaig (09:25):
No, here's what they do. I'm going to ... This is big tech. Can you log into your phone?
Jason Rigby (09:30):
Alexander McCaig (09:32):
I'll hold it for you. You can do all your texting and everything, but I'll hold it right here. I'll walk around all day long like this and you can operate.
Jason Rigby (09:39):
But it was yours in the first place, but I took it from you.
Alexander McCaig (09:41):
But I'm just going to hold onto it.
Jason Rigby (09:42):
Alexander McCaig (09:42):
Oh, by the way you leased this phone.
Jason Rigby (09:44):
Oh, I made it shinier and prettier for you.
Alexander McCaig (09:47):
Jason Rigby (09:48):
And you can just hold it.
Alexander McCaig (09:49):
No, go ahead. You want to log in? Your passcode?
Jason Rigby (09:51):
Good. Now let's show TARTLE.
Alexander McCaig (09:53):
Okay. Here's TARTLE. Why don't you take this back?
Jason Rigby (09:55):
Alexander McCaig (09:56):
I'm going to leave the room. Okay? And I'm going to give you a key to the door so you can lock it from the inside. I won't even be able to get in. I'll knock. And you just let me in if you want to. And when I'm in here-
Jason Rigby (10:06):
But when ...
Alexander McCaig (10:07):
When I'm in here ...
Jason Rigby (10:08):
When you come in ...
Alexander McCaig (10:09):
Jason Rigby (10:10):
I'm paying you for coming in.
Alexander McCaig (10:12):
Yeah, that's correct. But you don't have to show me what's going on here if you don't want to.
Jason Rigby (10:16):
Alexander McCaig (10:16):
Is that cool? You don't even have to talk to me if I walk in the room.
Jason Rigby (10:21):
I don't even ... I don't even know who you are when I walk in the room.
Alexander McCaig (10:23):
Yeah, that's fine. But you know I'm going to come in here and respect your rights.
Jason Rigby (10:26):
Alexander McCaig (10:26):
That's pretty neat.
Jason Rigby (10:28):
So the power of community ...
Alexander McCaig (10:31):
I really enjoyed that by the way.
Jason Rigby (10:32):
Yeah. That was awesome. The power of community is what is driving crypto and NFTs. NFT is still in the beginning stage, but-
Alexander McCaig (10:38):
Strictly community, Reddit threads, forums, Twitter subtweets, laser eyes.
Jason Rigby (10:46):
Yeah. All of that is ...
Alexander McCaig (10:47):
All of these, all the memes, this stuff is driving this massive movement.
Jason Rigby (10:54):
And when you look at institutions or like you're talking about these wells, they have to play because there's something that we don't, and Bitcoin or Maximalists are not going to like me when I say this, but we need a framework. There has to be adoption from the wells.
Alexander McCaig (11:11):
Yeah. And if you don't have it, then you're always going to be buttoned up against a wall. Because frankly, your systems require those frameworks because those frameworks have the resources to pay into the system you want to have value in.
Jason Rigby (11:25):
It's like with TARTLE. If we don't have a Microsoft or a Google or a Facebook or a Exxon Mobil or a Unilever, if we don't have these large wells coming in and buying data, then it doesn't afford you the opportunity to sell your data.
Alexander McCaig (11:39):
Yeah, that's correct.
Jason Rigby (11:40):
Because they're the ones that can say, "Okay, here's a billion dollars TARTLE. We want this data worldwide for in these different regions and stuff like this. We want to hook our API up."
Alexander McCaig (11:48):
That's why ...
Jason Rigby (11:49):
"And we want to feed our algorithms and machine learning."
Alexander McCaig (11:51):
You can't just cut the leg off.
Jason Rigby (11:52):
Alexander McCaig (11:53):
You have to create this beautiful substitute.
Jason Rigby (11:57):
And the systems are coming of age where we're at that tipping point right now, where there has to be institutional adoption.
Alexander McCaig (12:04):
And we can't-
Jason Rigby (12:05):
And there has to be smart. As Ted Cruz was talking about, there has to be smart regulation.
Alexander McCaig (12:09):
Yeah. And we can't force these people to do these things and make them the enemy.
Jason Rigby (12:16):
Alexander McCaig (12:16):
You have to educate them on it.
Jason Rigby (12:18):
Because if the government does a favorable regulation and they're really smart about it and there becomes clear rules, what do wells do then? They're all in.
Alexander McCaig (12:27):
They're all in.
Jason Rigby (12:27):
That's some of the reason why they're not in now.
Alexander McCaig (12:29):
Because it helps them de-risk their choice.
Jason Rigby (12:31):
Alexander McCaig (12:32):
Jason Rigby (12:33):
So I want to get into two more points and then we'll get done. How do you value a NFT?
Alexander McCaig (12:39):
Depends on how many people want to buy it.
Jason Rigby (12:42):
Like the apes? I mean, they're like tens of millions of dollars or whatever or ...
Alexander McCaig (12:47):
Jason Rigby (12:47):
How many Bitcoin or whatever? The value comes from the community.
Alexander McCaig (12:50):
It only comes from the people that see it and say, "This has a value to it and I'm willing to bid towards that value. And I'll give you this much money in whatever token to own this non-fungible token."
Jason Rigby (13:01):
And so the central banks are going to come up. People need to realize this. The central banks will come up with a digital currency. It may take them a while.
Alexander McCaig (13:10):
But they'll do it.
Jason Rigby (13:10):
We're going to have a digital US dollar. China's already done it. And China's more than happy to come into a digital cold war with us.
Alexander McCaig (13:17):
Oh, they would love that. They would love that.
Jason Rigby (13:20):
Because they don't play. They don't have morals. There's no ethics there.
Alexander McCaig (13:24):
Jason Rigby (13:25):
You can play in a whole different world. Oh, you want to play with us online?
Alexander McCaig (13:29):
Yeah. In China, you work for the government.
Jason Rigby (13:33):
Alexander McCaig (13:34):
In the United States, there's a transition of you working for yourself.
Jason Rigby (13:37):
Yeah. There's this big issue with the Olympic person or whatever that is just like sent this. Did you hear about this?
Alexander McCaig (13:44):
No. No. This is a news story.
Jason Rigby (13:45):
She sent this weird letter. She disappeared for a while and she came, supposedly came back. But the letter's like, I love the nation. I love China. It's the best thing. She kind of made a little tiny criticism, but she's representing them as an Olympic athlete. And then this weird letter came out and they're like, "Well, obviously she didn't write that. And where is she at still?" That's what happens there.
Jason Rigby (14:06):
Jack Ma disappeared for a while. These billionaires in China disappear for a while and then they come back and they're all smiley face. I mean, we saw it with the actor for ... that one actor they had to speak in Chinese and apologize because he mentioned Taiwan.
Alexander McCaig (14:21):
Jason Rigby (14:22):
Yeah. The big muscular ... The big muscular. He used to be a WWF wrestler. He's real famous. John ...
Alexander McCaig (14:29):
Jason Rigby (14:29):
Alexander McCaig (14:30):
Jason Rigby (14:31):
Yeah. We'll have to look at that. I encourage people to look at his apology on YouTube.
Alexander McCaig (14:34):
I love learning interesting news from you.
Jason Rigby (14:35):
He learned Chinese and gave an apology and he apologized like 10 times. Well, the reason is this movie made $30 million and $20 million of it ... I mean $300 million and $200 million of it came from China.
Alexander McCaig (14:52):
Yeah. They pretty much are going to be the new Hollywood.
Jason Rigby (14:56):
Alexander McCaig (14:57):
What was that film that came out like The Wall or something like that?
Jason Rigby (15:01):
Alexander McCaig (15:03):
That was like the first major, big budget, like east meets west film.
Jason Rigby (15:08):
Well, there's one that's number one popular over there now. And it's an action movie. Of course, everybody loves action movies of course with me. And it's a Chinese special forces that is fighting Navy seals and it's all like the Americans are bad, they're evil, they're ... I mean, whatever. I mean, we're not going to get into the politics part. But I'm just saying there's this big push. And the United States has done it just as much as China, so I'm not accusing any. There's this big push for propaganda. And people need to recognize this in your entertainment. There is this ability for nation states to go against your free will.
Alexander McCaig (15:48):
Didn't [inaudible 00:15:49], the guy I saw a while ago?
Jason Rigby (15:51):
Yeah, we learned this. We should have learned this in World War II.
Alexander McCaig (15:54):
I know. Right?
Jason Rigby (15:54):
Russia. We'll go UK, United States, Germany. Germany.
Alexander McCaig (16:01):
Human beings ... Formulating this thought. Human beings are so quick to forget. And so, because we're so quick to forget, we can't afford ourselves the time to focus on these historical things, to recognize the patterns and errors so that we don't make those mistakes going forward.
Jason Rigby (16:22):
Well, how many politicians will promise you something that you never got?
Alexander McCaig (16:24):
Right. And so-
Jason Rigby (16:26):
What happens when you sign up for TARTLE?
Alexander McCaig (16:27):
What happens when we ... Well, when you sign up for TARTLE, you get exactly what you're told you're going to get.
Jason Rigby (16:32):
Alexander McCaig (16:33):
And the more work you put in, the more you receive. But the future will be essentially ledgers of our past that are shared, which we can reflect upon because we do such a bad job of remembering things, we'll forget. So we'll use the computers to help us remember and remind us of those mistakes and say, "Now don't do this again." Immediate red flag.
Alexander McCaig (17:01):
That would be the most beneficial artificial intelligence algorithm for a human being is one where you have said, "I made these choices. This is my outcome. And this outcome was not good for me." You would be able to analyze the course of your life. And when you're doing something right now in the very moment, and it's taking that data from you, it's saying you're making a mistake. That would be one of the most beneficial things we could do.
Alexander McCaig (17:26):
If we applied a digital ledger and the outcomes to take the digital ledger and government policy and the outcomes of that policy. And we traced that over time and saw if something was actually beneficial or had a negative consequence, we would know in the writing of those policies that this is not going to work.
Alexander McCaig (17:52):
We're so bad at remembering. So we're always constantly rehashing, and our evolution is slow, but we can advance these things if we pay attention, if we understand that if we can remember better and use these things for our benefit, we can recognize essentially what is going on in these cultures that may be against our rights, that may squander our free will, that may inhibit our economies from growing. We can begin to recognize those things.
Alexander McCaig (18:19):
And NFTs and cryptocurrencies and TARTLE specifically will help for the remembrance of it. It will bake that into our digital future so that we can go back and analyze something that needs to be remembered.
Jason Rigby (18:31):
And, last question, and we'll close in this. Whenever you look at this in remembrance, especially with TARTLE, and you look at the ability for us to take personal responsibility because that's where it all boils down to, taking back our freedom and our personal responsibility. Whenever you have seven and a half billion people on TARTLE system, what begins to happen to the world?
Alexander McCaig (19:00):
The world actually evolves. And I really mean that. It's going to evolve at the most accelerated rate it's ever seen. There will be so much well defined human understanding being shared. There will be such a great collective of voices coming together to state how they see the world and how they define an outcome as being positive or negative. And through that collaboration, that understanding is when humanity takes this next step. And it's essentially a great leap. And I would call that probably the great remembrance.
Thank you for listening to TARTLEcast with your hosts, Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby, where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the power. What's your data worth?