Find Out What Big Tech's Been Doing With Your Data Here

Alexander McCaig (00:10):

Well part one, part two. Authoritarianism, free will, human rights, all these things. What does that have to do with the data?

Jason Rigby (00:15):

Freedom.

Alexander McCaig (00:16):

At the end of the day, what does this mean for data? Why would you and I talk about these things, which seem outside of the realm of what we're doing. But naturally, it leads to what we are doing.

Jason Rigby (00:25):

Because the tech that we're creating at TARTLE gives individuals freedom.

Alexander McCaig (00:31):

That's because it is a technology. How we should have been designing technology.

Jason Rigby (00:36):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (00:36):

One that actually empowers human beings.

Jason Rigby (00:38):

Use that word empower. Not the government. Not the state, not a tech company, but the who?

Alexander McCaig (00:45):

The human being.

Jason Rigby (00:47):

The people that are listening to this, the individual.

Alexander McCaig (00:49):

That are listening to this, using the TARTLE technology, it is an empowerment tool. It is a tool for emancipation of whatever is going on. It is designed for that evolution, for that upbringing, uplifting of the human being.

Jason Rigby (01:01):

And I want people to think about this. Everybody knows about gold.

Alexander McCaig (01:04):

I know gold.

Jason Rigby (01:04):

Everybody knows about gold.

Alexander McCaig (01:06):

Gold is best.

Jason Rigby (01:07):

Let's say you owned a piece of property. Even if you don't, maybe you're renting. Maybe you're living on the side of a building or whatever. You made a cardboard box, but you have a cell phone. However it is.

Alexander McCaig (01:17):

Something over your head.

Jason Rigby (01:19):

That's your place where you live.

Alexander McCaig (01:21):

Yep.

Jason Rigby (01:22):

Let's say you had a gold bar.

Alexander McCaig (01:24):

Okay.

Jason Rigby (01:25):

And you've been storing it. And this is yours. It's your property. You own this gold bar. You have it. Anytime we have gold in our possession, it belongs to us. We can go raid another village. Go grab other gold. We used to do this. And then it becomes our gold.

Alexander McCaig (01:40):

100%.

Jason Rigby (01:41):

If you're holding it physically in your hands, it's your gold. What if a tech company, a government, comes and says, "That's my gold. I'm taking it. Thank you very much." This is what people don't-

Alexander McCaig (01:54):

Don't talk about the Department of Justice like that.

Jason Rigby (01:55):

How pissed off would you be. Pissed off, I'm using the right word. How pissed off would you be if somebody grabbed your gold?

Alexander McCaig (02:00):

You'd be upset because you thought, "Because it's in my hands, it's under my control. It's my right. My property."

Jason Rigby (02:07):

Right? So the problem with big data is they're doing that to you.

Alexander McCaig (02:10):

All the time.

Jason Rigby (02:11):

They're taking your gold every single day.

Alexander McCaig (02:12):

You don't even see it. It gets plucked out of your hands constantly. The only time you hear about it is when someone falters and it ends up in the news.

Alexander McCaig (02:22):

When someone falters and you start getting these calls or charges to your banking account, because someone has broken in and stolen your information.

Jason Rigby (02:28):

But it happens every day. There's data breaches ...

Alexander McCaig (02:28):

It happens all the time. And how many people tell you about it? Very little.

Jason Rigby (02:32):

They'll they just send out a quick little email apologizing, Change your password.

Alexander McCaig (02:36):

And guess what? We don't need to be reactive. Laws don't have to be written in blood.

Jason Rigby (02:38):

No.

Alexander McCaig (02:39):

We can think about it logically ahead of time, design the technology and protect these things as they should be protected.

Jason Rigby (02:46):

Because big data right now, I say it's the automation of oppression.

Alexander McCaig (02:51):

It is the automation of oppression. They're using masses of amounts of information to analyze so that they can come back and then see if they can control further to squeeze some sort of resource out of a human being.

Jason Rigby (03:03):

The word control. Who gets to control the data?

Alexander McCaig (03:06):

Oh, the people that are aggregating it and taking it. They are the ones that are controlling it.

Jason Rigby (03:11):

So, big brother?

Alexander McCaig (03:13):

Yeah. Big brother. Call it big brother. Go ahead.

Jason Rigby (03:16):

Big tech brother.

Alexander McCaig (03:17):

Yeah. And I want to be abundantly clear here. They are not the enemy. They have just been allowed to do these things because we have not engineered a solution in the past to prevent this from occurring.

Jason Rigby (03:29):

No, they're just wanting shareholder profit. That's all.

Alexander McCaig (03:31):

They're just looking at it for profit.

Jason Rigby (03:32):

They're looking at it as a corporation.

Alexander McCaig (03:33):

So when we step in, we're like, "Wait, hold on a second. Wait a minute."

Jason Rigby (03:37):

I don't think there's any nefarious thing, I think it's all about making money.

Alexander McCaig (03:40):

They want to make money. So what we're saying is, let's step in here. Let's give you access to deeper information, deeper insights, quality. We can allow these businesses or researchers to establish a relationship directly with the human being that generates that information and fairly compensate that individual for the work they are creating. That is a level of respect which is many, many notches beyond where we were before.

Jason Rigby (04:05):

But people don't realize, in power, use that word. We use the word power too. People do not realize that big tech brother can't grow if you don't feed it data.

Alexander McCaig (04:15):

That's correct. If they're not fed data, they can't make their decisions.

Jason Rigby (04:19):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (04:20):

The whole future of industry is based on data. Go to the World Economic Forum. That's all they talk about is data. If you choose not to share it with them, maybe for instance, if we all want to take a stance against a corporation and say, "We're not sharing anything with you," then don't. They have to change their ways.

Jason Rigby (04:38):

If we could put an alien in a cage or we could put King Kong in a cage.

Alexander McCaig (04:42):

I'm not putting any aliens in cages cause I respect aliens.

Jason Rigby (04:47):

Well, it goes against their free will. Yeah. Aliens or King Kong.

Alexander McCaig (04:47):

If King Kong walked in the cage and locked himself in there, there we go. Okay, go ahead.

Jason Rigby (04:50):

No, but I'm just saying if they were put in a cage and they were not allowed to receive any type of substance. Food, water, or whatever, aliens may want. Drinking mercury, who knows.

Jason Rigby (05:01):

Whatever it is. But they weren't allowed to have any of that. What happens with big tech brother? What happens when you starve them of their data?

Alexander McCaig (05:11):

They naturally have to come to you and ask you for it.

Jason Rigby (05:14):

No matter how big they are.

Alexander McCaig (05:15):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (05:15):

King Kong's huge.

Alexander McCaig (05:16):

Massive.

Jason Rigby (05:17):

Big. Did you see that-

Alexander McCaig (05:18):

All things require energy, right?

Jason Rigby (05:19):

Did you see the picture of them operating on that gorilla?

Alexander McCaig (05:21):

No.

Jason Rigby (05:22):

You got to look this up. We got to show people. This is-

Alexander McCaig (05:24):

Well, hold on.

Jason Rigby (05:24):

Dude. It looks like King Kong. Just type in, "Operating on gorilla."

Alexander McCaig (05:28):

Okay.

Jason Rigby (05:28):

You'll see it. Dude. It's unbelievable pictures. How jacked gorillas are and how big they're, you don't realize this. You see them on the table.

Alexander McCaig (05:37):

Holy smokes.

Jason Rigby (05:38):

Isn't that crazy?

Alexander McCaig (05:39):

Yeah. That's insane.

Jason Rigby (05:40):

They were helping him.

Alexander McCaig (05:40):

You don't want that to wake up, oh my gosh. That's frightening.

Alexander McCaig (05:46):

But consider this. Everything requires energy. It requires sustenance. People think, the mass majority think ... Actually, they believe, that corporations require energy to survive. They do not.

Alexander McCaig (06:04):

You can throw money at something all day long, but if it does not have information to act upon and spend that money, nothing occurs. Information is the energy source for decision making.

Jason Rigby (06:15):

A hundred percent. Let me ask you this.

Alexander McCaig (06:17):

Yes.

Jason Rigby (06:18):

How can we practice privacy with TARTLE?

Alexander McCaig (06:21):

How can we practice it?

Jason Rigby (06:22):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (06:22):

Practice number one, sign up. How do we practice it as a larger resource holder, like a company? How do we practice it? We can practice it by respecting privacy of others. We can go and ask them for that information. Consent is key. The key is consent. Does that make sense?

Jason Rigby (06:41):

Yeah. And then, encryption. Encryption is another way that we can ... In our online life, we can practice encryption.

Alexander McCaig (06:48):

Why do we encrypt stuff? We encrypt it because some people or individuals, whatever they might be, or extraterrestrial entities, may be a negative player. Maybe they just want to access that information. They're like, "We don't respect your right to privacy. We just want to go look at it."

Alexander McCaig (07:03):

In the event, Jason, someone gets access to something you didn't authorize.

Jason Rigby (07:09):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (07:09):

Encryption is that last resort to protect that information if it is taken off of a server illicitly, for whatever sort of reason. Does that make sense?

Jason Rigby (07:21):

Yeah. And I want people to understand this cause I want to help people understand this. TARTLE is a far greater tech tool than Bitcoin. But lot of people may, if they're techy, they may understand Bitcoin. So I want to compare TARTLE, Bitcoin, in the sense of, we know Bitcoin answers this question.

Jason Rigby (07:41):

Even though all the elite are going to end up owning Bitcoin, you know that the 1% are going to own it all.

Alexander McCaig (07:45):

When we say elite, people that have the resources to buy Bitcoin.

Jason Rigby (07:48):

To build, buy Bitcoin. Yeah. It goes up to 250,000 a coin. They'll be like, "Oh, that's fine. I got billions."

Alexander McCaig (07:52):

"No problem. I got plenty."

Jason Rigby (07:52):

Yeah. And then it'll grow, grow, grow and then the value ... Cause there's only so many of them-

Alexander McCaig (07:56):

And then someone will short it and then it'll grow, grow, grow again.

Jason Rigby (07:58):

Yeah. Governments don't know what to do with Bitcoin.

Alexander McCaig (08:02):

Nope.

Jason Rigby (08:03):

The financial industry doesn't know what to do with it. They're at a loss. They're asking questions.

Alexander McCaig (08:08):

It's not the coin though, bro. You know this.

Jason Rigby (08:10):

Yes. It's the technology behind.

Alexander McCaig (08:12):

It's the technology behind it.

Jason Rigby (08:12):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (08:13):

The reason they don't know what to do with it is because it removes the control out of their hand and gives it to human beings on the outside.

Jason Rigby (08:20):

Ooh. Just as TARTLE.

Alexander McCaig (08:21):

To make decisions for themselves.

Jason Rigby (08:23):

Just as TARTLE.

Alexander McCaig (08:23):

Just like TARTLE.

Jason Rigby (08:25):

This is the comparison I want people to see. Bitcoin's encrypted to the hilt. To the max.

Alexander McCaig (08:29):

Yeah. 256 bit.

Jason Rigby (08:31):

Yeah. In that sense, and so far no one's been able to touch it, as far as hack it or anything like that.

Alexander McCaig (08:37):

No. And it's on a ledger, a single ledger, a chain. There were natural inefficiencies in the design of that technology. The idea of it though, that was the most threatening thing. It was the idea.

Alexander McCaig (08:52):

But that idea catalyzed other people to be like, "Wait a minute, how can we advance upon this idea of technology?" Every time that idea is advanced upon, it brings more power back to individuals over their own sovereignty choice.

Jason Rigby (09:08):

Let me ask you this. Do you think any government could stop Bitcoin?

Alexander McCaig (09:12):

No, it can't. The only way you can shut it off is, "I got to shut all the internet off, which means I have to close down all the servers at once." And the only way you could do that is with a coronal mass ejection from our local sun that comes over the earth. That electromagnetic radiation and the rest of those photons blast the stuff and fry all of our electronics. The only other way you could possibly maybe prevent that is to put it underneath the earth's crust and shield it.

Alexander McCaig (09:35):

In anyway, no government could shut it all down.

Jason Rigby (09:37):

Can we have a fun fact about photons real quick?

Alexander McCaig (09:38):

Yeah, go ahead.

Jason Rigby (09:39):

It's a really fun fact. They are at the speed of light, right?

Alexander McCaig (09:43):

Yeah.

Jason Rigby (09:44):

They're just constantly working at the speed of light. They're not in time.

Alexander McCaig (09:51):

No.

Jason Rigby (09:51):

Because they're operating at speed light. It's such an example for me and me working. I wish I could work as good as a photon works.

Alexander McCaig (09:58):

At the speed of light.

Jason Rigby (09:59):

Yeah, and then I wouldn't be worried about time.

Alexander McCaig (10:00):

But Jason, they have one job to do.

Jason Rigby (10:02):

Yeah. Well, I only have one job to do.

Alexander McCaig (10:05):

Yeah. You do. You have one job to do and that's to evolve. Cool thing about photons too. They have a very minimal weight and they are the basis for just about everything we see. The entire structure of our universe is strictly based on photons, which are packets of light. Within that light has information.

Jason Rigby (10:25):

Let me ask you this. Government can't stop Bitcoin. Can government stop TARTLE?

Alexander McCaig (10:30):

Yeah. They could come and kill us. No, hands down, they could come and kill us or someone could try and subpoena us.

Jason Rigby (10:37):

Right.

Alexander McCaig (10:38):

Or they could ban us from our servers that we have, which we lease from other individuals. The only way we could try and prevent something like that is to have backups upon backups. Ones that are land based and ones that are sky based.

Jason Rigby (10:54):

But I don't see, unless it's an extreme authoritarian regime ...

Alexander McCaig (10:58):

You know what it is?

Jason Rigby (10:59):

I don't see a government wanting to go after TARTLE though.

Alexander McCaig (11:02):

No. And I'll clarify, the more people that join TARTLE, the stronger the idea becomes-

Jason Rigby (11:08):

Yes, here we go. This is what [crosstalk 00:11:10].

Alexander McCaig (11:10):

With that, there's a massive army of support. If you are looking-

Jason Rigby (11:15):

Data champions, which you all are.

Alexander McCaig (11:16):

Data champions all over world. 222 countries of data champions, it's incredible. And I support every single one of them for what they're doing. For their own emancipation of whatever situation they are currently in. The way they give towards not for profits, the way that they are trying to make a change. The amount of time they spend listening to you and I talk. This is a unification of mankind and anyone that would want to step against that, you are directly stepping against the people you think you are supporting.

Jason Rigby (11:45):

In theory, you're going against evolution.

Alexander McCaig (11:47):

You're going against evolution. You're going against the free will of people across the entire globe.

Jason Rigby (11:51):

And you're deciding to take centralized power. Instead of decentralizing it and empowering your people. Because as a government, let's say, even though you're kind of authoritarian.

Jason Rigby (12:02):

We'll use Philippines, for example, the president's kind of authoritarian, or pretty much. Let's say Manny Pacquiao is supposed to be running.

Alexander McCaig (12:10):

Okay.

Jason Rigby (12:11):

They're supposed to be serious and he'll win a hundred percent. This guy that everybody loves now, they love Manny Pacquiao more. Manny Pacquiao has to worry about his life right now. Because at any moment-

Alexander McCaig (12:22):

"Can I survive up to the election?"

Jason Rigby (12:23):

"Can I survive up to the election?"

Jason Rigby (12:26):

We look at Manny Pacquiao, and I would love to have a conversation with him, how we can help the Philippines once he gets elected.

Alexander McCaig (12:30):

Yeah. No problem.

Jason Rigby (12:33):

I put that out there if anybody in the Philippines know him.

Alexander McCaig (12:36):

Feel free to introduce.

Jason Rigby (12:37):

Have a podcast, but I'm telling you Manny Pacquiao could come to us and say, "How can I help poverty in the Philippines? How can TARTLE help?" There's what, 300 million people in the Philippines.

Alexander McCaig (12:50):

Step one, ask the people in the Philippines.

Jason Rigby (12:52):

Yes.

Alexander McCaig (12:53):

You're impoverished. Can you find your next meal? Here's an interesting fun fact. I'm going to give you some hardcore data.

Alexander McCaig (13:02):

Our user base, 80% of it, 80%. Lives on less than $2 and 70 cents US dollar a day. 46% of our users worry about finding their next meal. Think about that. We have so much focus, so much loose money flying around everywhere. So much focus on all these things that really don't matter.

Alexander McCaig (13:30):

People can't look to the future if they're worried about the next couple hours and where their meal's going to come from.

Jason Rigby (13:37):

Yeah, that's so powerful.

Alexander McCaig (13:38):

This is not bullshit data in any way, shape, or form. I random sample this all the time. These numbers are consistent. If we're talking about long term impact, if we want to understand poverty, if we want to understand where the pain is, we have to go ask those people.

Alexander McCaig (13:57):

We really need to know, for effect, what is going on their life.

Jason Rigby (14:00):

And the best way to do that is?

Alexander McCaig (14:02):

Through TARTLE.

Jason Rigby (14:03):

And so we encourage, if you're in the government, in any government, we would love to have a conversation with you.

Alexander McCaig (14:09):

100%. We would love to show you a bridge to the people of your nation that otherwise are having a hard time getting their voice out there. Because when they are heard, there is an awareness. Through that awareness, action can occur. That's how it happens. You cannot educate yourself on what is going on, unless you have the facts presented directly in front of you.

Speaker 3 (14:29):

Thank you for listening TARTLEcast with your hosts Alexander McCaig and Jason Rigby. Where humanity steps into the future and source data defines the path. What's your data worth?